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Pressure and release · Contingent, avoidable, and the right size

What makes a correction fair?

A correction is fair when the dog can tell what caused it and can avoid it next time, when it comes at the moment of the act, and when it is big enough to change his mind without being bigger or longer than the thing it answers.

The answer

The trainers answer with conditions the handler has to meet, not promises about the dog. The dog has to be able to tell what caused the correction, and he has to be able to avoid it next time. One trainer lists the full test for an owner: clear, contingent, easily avoidable, commensurate with what happened, and not overkill. The argument is nearly always made through speeding tickets, and always on themselves. I got tickets when I was younger, so I stopped speeding, and I am not afraid to get in the car. Then the argument is turned around, which makes it a test instead of a reassurance: imagine being ticketed a few times for driving under the limit, with no reason given. You would be afraid to drive at all. The trainers' view is that fear comes from penalties you cannot predict or avoid, not from penalties as such. One of them says it to a client in the plainest terms: consequences have to be contingent on things we control, 'otherwise it just creates psychological trauma'.

The second half is one owners rarely think of. Pressure is already in the dog's life whether or not anybody chose it. A dog pulls, the lead is tight all the way, and at the destination the pressure comes off while the owner looks at a phone. That has taught him, hundreds of times, that pulling makes pressure stop. So the question is never whether to use pressure. It is whether to author it or leave it to chance.

The same test rules things out, and the exclusions are the most useful part for owners. No command, no correction: a dog sniffing when nothing was asked is free, and a dog who gets up off a bed you never sent him to has broken nothing. Don't punish what you invited: if you wound him up, the jump is yours. Don't punish what a stranger started. Log it as proofing to do. Don't punish a reflex: a startled bark is not a choice, and no amount of punishment will change it - Kelton's version for an owner is being tapped on the shoulder while wearing headphones, which you would flinch at however often you were punished for it (Beo). Don't punish interest: with a nervous dog one trainer corrects only the failure to come back when called, never the curiosity, so it is 'very clear in her mind' why she was corrected; and a single warning bark at a stranger who keeps staring at her is 'really your fault', so it gets a 'let's go' (Whiskey). Don't punish an attempt: a dog trying to do what you asked, slowly or imperfectly, is not disobeying. And don't correct late. Two or three seconds late, one trainer says, and the dog can no longer make the connection. A correction without that context, says another, 'borders on abuse'. What is left to correct is one named act, said as a line the dog can see: 'we don't punish walking we don't punish seeing them ... we punish that one thing', and 'everything else is lawful' (Reaper). A standing house rule works the same way: with no command in force, an 'uh-uh' means that activity ends, and the consequence follows if it does not (Kali).

Fairness also has a size, and it cuts both ways. Too much is unfair: one sentence of being told off is information, and two or three minutes of being shouted at is something else, as the owner is asked to check against his own memory. Tone, volume and your relationship with the dog are dials too, and for a sensitive dog a little tug is all it takes. Most owners who think they have a hard dog, one trainer says, do not. A penalty that never changes size is a fixed fine, and people with money pay five dollars all day. 'Beeping' and 'vibrating' become the price of the behaviour, and the dog does it twenty times a day. So the correction has to outweigh what the dog gets from the behaviour, and 'one or two good corrections' is described as better for the dog than a thousand weak ones. The size is judged by what the dog does next. If he stops and does not go back, it landed. If he goes straight back, it did not, and the answer is to change it instead of repeating it. The September 2026 lessons give the dog's face as the check on both edges. The floor: 'if they don't look like they just got punished they didn't get punished' (Kali); and, provided the correction is marked and understandable, 'going too high is much lower risk than going too low' (Hattie). The ceiling: the dog should recover quickly and run off; if the bad feeling lingers, help him recover with play and running, and 'take a hard look at the severity' (Kane).

A wider reading of the session record adds fourteen dogs and makes one condition explicit that the earlier editions only implied: what the dog already knows. No penalty for a sit she has not learned - 'we ain't gonna penalize you for that because you don't know yet' (Callie); no collar until the command is known - 'So it's fair' - and while a dog is learning a new piece of a scenario it is 'not fair necessarily to not repeat' the command (Max); the radius correction is fair because 'he already knows' the distance (Chunk). Stormy's owner is given the sequence behind it: teach the escape first, then the grace goes down and the pressure goes up as the dog learns, because pressure a dog cannot explain or escape 'just sends them into a panic'. The handover version is the order of word and collar: say it first, or 'she'll be like, what did I do?' (Phoebe; also Shadow, Lunna). Kelton's own list with Bandit - clear why, contingent, 'predictable and avoidable' - and Sofia's lesson in Spanish, 'Si ella no sabe cómo evitarla porque no está clara, eso está muy mal' (if she doesn't know how to avoid it because it isn't clear, that is very wrong), restate the core test. And Levi's evaluation gives the size test a number with its context: on his thick coat about 60 is the sweet spot, 55 does not get his attention, while 65 'goes into the territory' of punishment and is 'a little unfair to the dog'.

Before choosing a penalty at all, one trainer gives families three questions. Does it make you feel awful? Then don't. Could it injure the dog? Then definitely don't. And what happens if you do nothing, compared with doing something? The response is also scaled to what the dog has already given: forty-five minutes on place and a stretch earns a re-send, not a correction. There are two named routes out of an unwanted behaviour. Either redirect (say no, ask for something else, pay that), or penalise and then reconcile (release the dog back to freedom and bring him back to normal). Inferred rather than said: nobody explains what the dog 'understands' beyond the change in his behaviour, and nobody gives a number for 'big enough'. The dog's response is the only measure offered.

Angier K9 is a family-owned, play-based Board & Train serving Angier, Raleigh and the Triangle, with three full owner lessons.

What to do

Before you correct anything, ask: did I ask for something, does he know what he did, and does he know what to do instead? If any answer is no, the problem is clarity, not consequence. Never correct something you did not ask for, excitement you caused, a startle, or an honest attempt. Correct at the moment it happens or not at all. Say 'nope' (or 'uh-uh') with the consequence every time, so the word comes to carry it. Make it enough to matter. Watch what he does next: if he stops and stays stopped, it worked. If he goes straight back, change it instead of repeating it. Keep it short, then release him and reconcile. Run your own three checks before choosing how: if it makes you feel awful, don't. If it could injure him, definitely don't. And weigh doing nothing honestly against doing something.

What the trainers say

you may stop speeding. speeding right like I got some speeding tickets when I was younger and I don't speed it was very effective right but um I'm not afraid to get in the car

Roxy · Watch at 15:51 ↗

same thing with dogs if they understand why they don't mind they're like they're not afraid to be around you or to do anything else um and they're not doing it because they're afraid of uh something they're doing it because it's like well i have all these other options yeah that option is no bueno right

Kelton · Roxy · Watch at 17:09 ↗

because it's if i'm not speeding i don't get a speeding ticket if i had been driving 25 miles an hour in a 40 or in a 35 it's well under the speed limit but not too far under say i was going like 25 the speed limit's 30 i'm good everything's nice in my car and then i get pulled over and given a speeding ticket that happens to me a few times i would be afraid to get in my car

Zeus · Watch at 17:29 ↗

so it's not like that because it's contingent and avoidable so that's all you got to do with penalties with dogs is if you penalize them and they understand why and then they learn how to avoid it they're cool everything's fine they're not afraid

Kelton · Zeus · Watch at 18:20 ↗

you shouldn't have a you shouldn't it shouldn't potentially injure the ant yeah or you shouldn't injure them um because there's so many ways to punish that don't have the potential for injury do those right

Kelton · Zeus · Watch at 25:28 ↗

they have to be contingent on things we control yeah otherwise it just creates psychological trauma right if we don't know why it happened and we can't avoid it

Kelton - the trainer running the shared Kodak and Rocko owner lesson; unnamed · Kodak · Watch at 22:33 ↗

they feel the consequences a few times and then they don't end up afraid of you as long as those consequences are, you know, not overkill, right? They have to be commensurate with the thing you're trying to teach,

Kelton - Kodak's lead trainer; unnamed · Kodak · Watch at 24:13 ↗

and so the question is whether or not we shake those negative reinforcers or we just let them be whatever they're gonna be

Kelton, at Lola's first in-program lesson · Lola · Watch at 23:04 ↗

non-contingent that one too if you do nothing then yeah that's even worse or non-contingent pressure pressure that they have no way to avoid because they don't understand why the pressure's happening if it's unclear then that's majorly problematic

Kelton · Lola · Watch at 29:44 ↗

it's clear it's contingent it's something that's easily avoidable and it was commensurate with the thing that actually happened right and it wasn't overkill

unnamed in this recording) · Bun · Watch at 32:24 ↗

If it's easily avoidable, if they know exactly what to do to avoid it, it's clear, it's contingent on something they control, they're not scared.

the head trainer, almost certainly Kelton · Piglet · Watch at 33:30 ↗

Let's go. Yeah. So right there like I would not punish that. The reason that I would not punish that is that while she was sniffing there was no like clear command afterwards.

Connor · Luna · Watch at 48:44 ↗

And then they get up and somebody punishes it. And in their mind, they're like, what did I do? I didn't do anything. You didn't tell me to do anything.

Connor · Luna · Watch at 35:33 ↗

It would be, like, if I was, like, hey, hold my hand.

Connor · Deuce · Watch at 17:58 ↗

So if you're giving out punishment, that's perfectly fine. Even stern, strong punishment is fine. But punishment without context borders on abuse.

Evan, Clark Kent's primary trainer (former staff) · Clark Kent · Watch at 10:40 ↗

sometimes even with us when we train dogs if we don't correct them immediately after they did whatever they did even if you're two three seconds late that's it it was too late they can't make that connection

the trainer at Major's follow-up lesson; unnamed · Major · Watch at 4:33 ↗

The way that a penalty is different than that is a penalty is like you're not trying to make something more likely to happen next time. You're trying to make something less likely to happen next time.

Kelton · Bo · Watch at 20:52 ↗

there's a big difference between me going like hey like louder and like being like hey like I'm mad like what the heck guys and saying that one sentence and then that's it. Versus, have you ever had somebody like yell at you for more than like 20 seconds? Have you ever had anybody yell at you for like two or three minutes?

Kelton · Roxy · Watch at 3:08 ↗

and they got money pay five dollars all day there's no problem right if it fine never changes it's always the same

Kelton, who confirms his name at 39:05 · Peque (PK) · Watch at 16:07 ↗

a common mistake and it's just a but if you think about it that's just like the ten dollar fine

Kelton, who introduces himself at 00:53 · Murphy · Watch at 1:02:14 ↗

whatever he desires to be as strong as the correction that you give him right or higher

the trainer at Major's debrief; unnamed · Major · Watch at 1:14 ↗

really really hard dog is what they call them but 99 of people that think they have a hard dog don't

the trainer at Bubba Gum's go-home lesson; unnamed · Bubba Gum · Watch at 42:13 ↗

uh, there's, uh, like probably three major constraints on how you might choose to penalize one of your dogs. One is your comfort level. How you feel about doing the thing? Does it make you feel awful? Don't do it. Right? Um, uh, uh, the second one is, could it cause injury to the dog? Definitely don't do it. Right? Um and then uh the third one is uh to think about if you don't do it versus if you do it which one works.

Kelton · Roxy · Watch at 8:50 ↗

say he's been on place for like 45 minutes and then he kind of like gets up a little bit yeah but see it's like you know like okay dude like I'll give you that if you're on there for 45 exactly you can get up stretch your legs but then I'm gonna tell you to go right back

Kelton · King · Watch at 10:53 ↗

there's two different ways to to deal with those kinds of activities right so and it depends on the result that you want so one way is you can differentially reinforce a different activity right and that's what like what Connor was getting at right so like you can say like no and then you can tell them to do something else instead and then they're doing a different thing and you reinforce that and say good job and okay and then like they're good again right or you can do straightforwardly penalize the thing right and then reconcile afterwards

Kelton, at Sage's go-home lesson · Sage · Watch at 14:17 ↗

That's just a penalty punishment is you need to do two things need to happen afterwards The first thing that needs to happen is they need to be free again. You got to release them back to freedom

the head trainer, almost certainly Kelton · Piglet · Watch at 23:28 ↗

one is it must be contingent on something they have control over right

Beo · Watch at 27:57 ↗

penalties need to be clear and contingent on their behavior because if it's unclear and not contingent on something they did they can't avoid it and that creates all kinds of problems psychologically for dogs and people

Reaper · Watch at 43:41 ↗

he shouldn't be scared when he sees a person or a dog we don't want that that's why we don't punish walking we don't punish seeing them that's all perfectly okay right we punish that one thing right so then the boundary becomes clear

Reaper · Watch at 10:44 ↗

simply penalizing something um in a way that's clear way that's contingent meaning that it's predictable to him and he can avoid it easily can make all the difference in the world and it can make that difference really quickly

Reaper · Watch at 5:05 ↗

right so instead it's just more fair to just be like hey you know i'm gonna stop call you back to me if you come back everything's fine if you don't come back then i'm gonna correct you for not coming back right so it's very clear in her mind

the trainer at Whiskey's first in-program owner lesson · Whiskey · Watch at 17:56 ↗

I'll just do a let's go command instead, instead of a correction, because I'm like, that's really your fault, right, you're not doing anything wrong, this is a normal dog behavior

the trainer at Whiskey's first in-program owner lesson · Whiskey · Watch at 10:28 ↗

for that one and then once that's done uh they're gonna look like they just got punished this is the whole point um if they don't look like they just got punished they didn't get punished

the trainer at Kali and Kane's in-program owner lesson; not named on the recording · Kali · Watch at 17:27 ↗

If it's marked and understandable to the dog, going too high is much lower risk than going too low.

the trainer at Hattie's follow-up lesson in the adopters' home; not named on the recording · Hattie · Watch at 15:35 ↗

and then link those things together and the second thing that I need to do is I need to take a hard look at the severity and penalty was it too much

Kane's trainer on a park walk, narrating to camera; not named on the recording · Kane · Watch at 11:48 ↗

so correction one way and excitement the other way and you just make it very clear you never miss you never cross them over

the trainer at Pepper's second in-program owner lesson; not named on the recording · Pepper · Watch at 19:38 ↗

call him again yeah yeah so that I'm I'm not punishing him for the urge of what

Astro's trainer (unnamed) · Astro · Watch at 16:30 ↗

he did right but I am punishing him for not listening to my command when I told

Astro's trainer (unnamed) · Astro · Watch at 16:37 ↗

So, yeah, but with the punishment, the main factors are it has to be clear to the dog why.

Kelton · Bandit · Watch at 23:58 ↗

Right. Yeah. Because that means that it is predictable and avoidable.

Kelton · Bandit · Watch at 24:17 ↗

I know I usually have my flexi for the sit do you know how to sit no okay we ain't gonna penalize

Callie's trainer (unnamed) · Callie · Watch at 1:28 ↗

gonna punish for breaking the radius and that'll just and that'll be clear

Chunk's trainer (unnamed) · Chunk · Watch at 8:14 ↗

it right might be a little painful that's kind of the point um is that it's uncomfortable enough

Dolly's trainer (unnamed) · Dolly · Watch at 27:03 ↗

for her to want to avoid it she doesn't want to feel that again um but then it's very easy for

Dolly's trainer (unnamed) · Dolly · Watch at 27:07 ↗

attention enough and like 65 i find is just a little too high like to me that's goes into the

Connor · Levi · Watch at 3:48 ↗

and they're just like cranking it up to a point where it's a little unfair to the dog so 60 is

Connor · Levi · Watch at 4:00 ↗

e-collar happens they know what why they did what's wrong if you just e-collar out of the blue they'll

Lunna's trainer (unnamed) · Lunna · Watch at 2:39 ↗

I don't even introduce that until they know the command, right?

Max's trainer (unnamed) · Max · Watch at 14:37 ↗

new thing right it's not fair necessarily to not repeat because he's learning the new piece of it

Max's trainer (unnamed) · Max · Watch at 23:02 ↗

all i do after that is then i give him a second i say okay right and then i make it clear i'm not

Milo's trainer (unnamed) · Milo · Watch at 17:59 ↗

she'll be like, what did I do? Um, I kind of use the analogy of like, if, uh, and it's kind of

Kelton · Phoebe · Watch at 16:54 ↗

is because they're not connected the events are disconnected because sometimes it's such a lag

Rocky's trainer (unnamed) · Rocky · Watch at 34:43 ↗

he did the thing it happened right away right um and then it was clear and contingent on his

Rocky's trainer (unnamed) · Rocky · Watch at 51:49 ↗

It's the last thing because e-collar is a really good way to confuse a dog.

Connor · Shadow (German Shepherd puppy) · Watch at 16:02 ↗

So you got to make sure that there's a reason she knows why she got it.

Connor · Shadow (German Shepherd puppy) · Watch at 16:07 ↗

Si ella no sabe cómo evitarla porque no está clara, eso está muy mal.

Sofia's trainer (unnamed; Spanish-language lesson) · Sofia · Watch at 21:40 ↗

it's happening and they don't know how to escape it that just sends them into a

Stormy's trainer (unnamed) · Stormy · Watch at 14:21 ↗

How it looks, dog by dog

Zeus

Zeus's first lesson states the test most carefully, because the trainer inverts it. The speeding-ticket argument runs forwards (I don't speed, so I don't get tickets, and I'm not afraid of my car) and then backwards: ticketed a few times for driving under the limit, you would be afraid to drive. The same lesson gives two limits in a telling order.

On film

so it's not like that because it's contingent and avoidable so that's all you got to do with penalties with dogs is if you penalize them and they understand why and then they learn how to avoid it they're cool everything's fine they're not afraid

Watch at 18:20 ↗

you shouldn't have a you shouldn't it shouldn't potentially injure the ant yeah or you shouldn't injure them um because there's so many ways to punish that don't have the potential for injury do those right

Watch at 25:28 ↗

Roxy

Roxy's three lessons turn the test into something a household can run. The first gives the condition through the speeding tickets, with an addition: a corrected dog is not obeying out of fear. He has other options, and that one is 'no bueno'. The second adds size. A penalty has a magnitude and a duration, it can be raised socially as well as physically, and one sentence is different from two or three minutes of shouting. The owner agrees that the second is 'very disturbing'. The same lesson has the trainer changing his own practice on a colleague's advice: Christian pointed out that clients were copying how loudly he trained, so he now trains quietly. The handover turns it into a procedure for the family: comfort, injury, and doing nothing versus doing something. The current arc treats these as the trainer's explanations, not validated measurements.

On film

same thing with dogs if they understand why they don't mind they're like they're not afraid to be around you or to do anything else um and they're not doing it because they're afraid of uh something they're doing it because it's like well i have all these other options yeah that option is no bueno right

Watch at 17:09 ↗

there's more than one way to increase the amount of like uh punishment that you get for it. like to make us feel too light. There's more than one way. So they are physical but they are also social.

Watch at 2:48 ↗

So, one other thing is just like um I uh I used to uh Christian made me aware of this a while ago. I used to train where everything I did was very loud and then uh inevitably the client would be like Roxy and I that like messed people up. So, I do now train with a much low like I train with like I'm a lot quieter when I give them commands.

Watch at 3:47 ↗

scenario and like what you have available to you. The e-collar is the easiest and the most nuanced. So that's why I normally use that.

Watch at 10:53 ↗

Lola

Lola is a nervous dog, and her first lesson gives the half of the argument that makes owners willing to hear the rest. Pressures in a dog's life exist whether or not the handler picks them. The worked example is the owner's own walk: a tight lead the whole way, and at the destination the pressure turns off while she looks at her phone. The ethical line is drawn against non-contingent pressure, not pressure: pressure the dog cannot avoid because he does not understand it is 'majorly problematic', and doing nothing is 'even worse'. Minutes later the owner names her own role on the walk: restrainer.

On film

say they pull on the leash pull pull pull and then when they get to the thing they want the pressure turns off because you stand there looking at the phone

Watch at 23:32 ↗

no no no i'll get my truck and drive there's no problem why because i have control it's easily avoidable yeah it's contingent on that thing and i can just not do that thing and avoid the whole problem

Watch at 28:48 ↗

You have to make sure that the punishment is contingent.

Watch at 1:10:47 ↗

Kodak

In the shared owner lesson for Kodak and Rocko, the trainer uses the word trauma to draw his own line: consequences must be contingent on what the learner controls. In a later session he adds that they must be commensurate, not overkill. He describes the intended result as a dog who is not afraid of the handler or the collar and simply learns to sit when asked. These are the trainer's rationale and his intended outcome, not a measurement of the dog's experience.

On film

i can avoid it it's contingent on my actions which gives me control i have control i can avoid the penalty i can avoid the pressure

Watch at 23:44 ↗

and then all they learn from that is not, oh, be afraid of him or or I'm afraid of the collar, I'm afraid of this, I'm afraid of that. They just learn to sit when you ask them to,

Watch at 24:45 ↗

Luna

Luna's file gives the exclusion owners most need: when to do nothing. She is sniffing, nothing was asked, and Connor says on camera he would not punish it, because there was no clear command. If he had said 'let's go' and she ignored it, that would be direct disobedience. At the handover he turns it into a warning about the family's instincts. A dog gets up, somebody punishes it, and in the dog's mind the thought is: you didn't tell me to do anything. He also names clarity as the handler's first obligation.

On film

If I had said like let's go she didn't pick up. She didn't listen then that's a different story because that's a direct like disobedience to a command which is not okay.

Watch at 48:59 ↗

like the biggest things you can do is give a dog the clarity that it needs. If you don't give the dog clarity, well, what happens? Well, what happens is that you expect this behavior, but you have not even really shown what the behavior is that you want.

Watch at 49:59 ↗

Sage

Sage's family had been told the rule at an earlier, unfilmed lesson with Connor, and they had broken it: correcting a jump they had never commanded against. At the go-home Kelton gives the two routes out of an unwanted behaviour and says the choice depends on the result you want. Either differentially reinforce something else, or penalise it and then reconcile: 'okay', 'good girl', and move on. You judge a correction the way you judge a reward, by whether it visibly landed.

On film

he was like well you didn't tell her to do anything right so you're correcting her on something you didn't tell her to do now you're gonna confuse her

Watch at 12:19 ↗

And then after you feel like she's gotten the point, then you go, okay, then you go, good girl, good job and you reconcile and you go let's go

Watch at 44:31 ↗

Like if I was like, good girl! And she was like, I don't think she got rewarded. Right? But if she was like, woohoo, yay! Right then it's like, okay, she's doing this. She's like, yay! Okay, then she got rewarded, right? She's happy, right? So same thing on the flip side.

Watch at 44:07 ↗

Deuce

Deuce is a very large adolescent who does not know his own strength. His file gives a test owners can apply in the moment: if you wound him up, you do not get to correct the jump. Connor compares it to offering somebody your hand and then punching them. When a passer-by engages Deuce and he goes over the top, the correction is withheld because the man started it. And Connor states a limit on method: he does not believe in using people as a distraction.

On film

the dude did engage with him of course so i'm not like gonna make that like a punishment

Watch at 6:15 ↗

there's some people so let's go see what he does i don't believe in using people as a distraction

Watch at 6:29 ↗

Bo

Bo's file sets the severity fork in two vocabularies. To the camera: a choice you could live with gets the work window, and a dangerous one (trying to attack another dog) gets punished and made a big issue of. To the owner: pressure makes a behaviour more likely next time and comes off the moment he complies, while a penalty makes it less likely and must be immediate and obviously connected, not five minutes later. The complication is the crate work. There, the coached sound for a growl is disappointed, not authoritative ('dude why are you doing that'), because an authoritative correction would be the fight the dog expects.

On film

big issue and you you want the message to be clear to them you're having a conversation a serious one

Watch at 3:07 ↗

Like, and not like spaced out cuz like if it's 5 minutes later, he won't he won't get it right. It's got to it's like right there. It's immediate where it's like there's an immediate really unfun thing that happens. Um and it's clear that it's connected to the thing that he did.

Watch at 21:21 ↗

and then just do like a like uh instead of um like an authoritative thing just do like a like just kind of disappointed like dude why are you doing that

Watch at 2:56 ↗

King

King's file supplies credit for time served, the give that keeps owners following the rules at all. Forty-five minutes on place and he stands to stretch: let him, and send him back a few minutes later without escalating. Two minutes in, put him back with the collar. The passage appears in three published edits of one visit and is counted once.

On film

I'm not gonna get super ramped up about that but like two minutes later I'm just like yeah happy yeah I'll put him back right

Watch at 11:04 ↗

Bun

Bun's second owner lesson gives the fullest version of the test: clear, contingent, easily avoidable, commensurate, not overkill, and nothing that could injure. A startle bark is a reaction, not a choice, and punishing it would not stop it, just as tapping someone wearing big headphones makes them jump every time. The lesson closes with the couch as the example. Correct it at the moment and consistently, and the dog learns 'just don't get on the couch', then walks around happy, 'like we avoid speeding tickets but we're not afraid to get in the car'.

On film

you can safely use lots of different ways as long as you're not going to injure the dog nothing that could potentially injure them and then as long as they understood why it happened and they're capable of avoiding it

Watch at 32:36 ↗

say you had a dog that like if it got startled it went like this and barked like a little startled bark is that a choice or a reflex right or kind of like a reaction well it's more like a reflex

Watch at 32:55 ↗

just make sure he understands why um that there's a clear connection to him um and so that means you need to do it right as he's doing the thing right and it needs to be consistent

Watch at 33:37 ↗

Piglet

Piglet was a rescue fixated on the household cat, and her file gives the test in its everyday form: if it is easily avoidable, clear and contingent on something the dog controls, 'they're not scared'. It also gives the aftercare: after any penalty the dog must be released back to freedom and reconciled with. The trainer adds a rule for when a correction fails. Check clarity first (did she understand, did she hear you), and only then conclude the consequence was too low. He also says he would rather use one severe punishment than a long series of weak ones.

On film

If it's easily avoidable, if they know exactly what to do to avoid it, it's clear, it's contingent on something they control, they're not scared.

Watch at 33:30 ↗

enough so as long as you check other things first like what did they understand was it clear to them did I say the command loud enough

Watch at 1:02:10 ↗

though so i'm going to avoid the consequence but the only way that works is if the consequence is worse than the fun that you'll have

Watch at 26:47 ↗

Peque (PK)

PK (Peque) was adopted after training, and her follow-up lesson makes the floor argument through a speeding fine that never changes. If the fine is five dollars every time, people with fast cars pay it all day. If it escalates, it puts 'a damper on speeding'. The trainer judges the correction only by what the dog does, and tells the owner to mark every penalty with 'nope' so the voice comes to carry it. A separate short clip coaches a handler to replace five or six small heel pops with one big pop and a loud 'nope'. The aim is a dog who avoids pressure, not one who relies on it to stay in place.

On film

do it um the question is how do you know if it worked um you know it worked by what the dog does

Watch at 23:52 ↗

One big pop. And say nope when you do it really firm, like loud. Like nope, pop.

Watch at 0:05 ↗

pops and then if I stay in position nothing happens right you didn't you never want to rely on pressure you want it to be avoid pressure to stay in position

Watch at 2:01 ↗

Murphy

At Murphy's go-home, the question is guarding and standing over the other household dog. Kelton lays out a sized, timed penalty with a start, a middle and an end. First, 'nope' and a leash pop to separate the dogs. Then it continues until the dog comes to 'a complete stop', not a rolling one, for about half a minute or longer if he fights it. Then 'disappointed mode', using the family's relationship, and finally a release. He rates this case as moderate on his own ten-point scale of severity. He explains why owners fail: beeping or vibrating is a ten-dollar fine, and the dog pays it twenty times a day. He also owns a mistake on camera. A tap delivered while the dogs were face to face was read by Murphy as coming from the other dog.

On film

the length of time that you'll keep doing it depends on what he does with the information so

Watch at 1:03:05 ↗

You don't want to just do a roll stop. You want a complete stop.

Watch at 1:03:47 ↗

slowly into disappointed mode because you guys have a good relationship right

Watch at 1:04:50 ↗

Yeah, I should have, if I had done it when he was sniffing, it probably would have been fine, but I did it when they were close, face to face.

Watch at 41:31 ↗

Major

Major's two follow-ups are a case study in corrections that failed, and why. The owner's earlier device stopped working because barking at passers-by was more rewarding than the correction was unpleasant. The correction has to be as strong as what he wants, or stronger. Late sprays failed because two or three seconds late 'it was too late'. The trainer also tells the owner to let Major make the choice before correcting. She had corrected before he did anything.

On film

once you get one or two good corrections i'm talking about good he ain't gonna do it again

Watch at 2:44 ↗

time you want to try it again next time what happens is you want him to choose whether or

Watch at 14:01 ↗

Bubba Gum

Bubba Gum is the counterweight to the floor argument. In a store the trainer gives two small leash corrections and then explains them. They were for attention lapses, not defiance. She is 'not a super hard dog', so a little tug is all it takes, and people overcorrect. At her go-home he shows the owner that a social penalty from someone she loves ('bubblegum hey nope') can do what physical force would. He says most people who think they have a hard dog do not, and the only measure is whether she chills out.

On film

you don't have to do a lot of yanking here for um for something so simple as you know she was trying and she just kind of missed um because she got distracted so just a little tiny tug there

Watch at 13:08 ↗

And for you, your social penalty is going to be more effective with bubblegum than mine, right?

Watch at 40:13 ↗

and she's like oh and chills out you did it right if she's still like and it's all about like seeing what the dog does

Watch at 41:19 ↗

Clark Kent

Clark Kent's go-home lesson is a recorded talk by his trainer Evan, and it gives the timing rule its sharpest wording. Stern, strong punishment is fine, but punishment without context borders on abuse. If you missed the moment, let it go and catch it next time. He adds two protections for the command itself. Repeated or mistimed correction around a word can make the word mean punishment. And a dog who is in the middle of trying, even wrongly, should not be punished.

On film

Because otherwise you might accidentally poison a command where he thinks that when you say a command and he doesn't do it and you just keep correcting him, that it's the, that that word, that command is supposed to mean punishment

Watch at 11:07 ↗

You don't want to punish him too soon when he's in the middle of attempting to fulfill your commands.

Watch at 30:21 ↗

Bane

Bane, a South African Mastiff in protection work, gives a clarity technique: exaggerate the mistake. When he drifts toward a dog in heel, the handler sidesteps big so he is obviously out of position before the correction, and does not leave him guessing why. The same trainer does it with another dog, Penny, by speeding up. The Bane visit also separates teaching from proofing. A level that makes a dog avoid is for proofing things he already knows, never for teaching something new.

On film

yeah what you do is you exaggerate the mistake you exaggerate the mistake and

Watch at 29:10 ↗

does this you sidestep to the right now he's like way the hell out of place right because he wasn't paying attention to the heel

Watch at 29:42 ↗

then I sped up, exaggerated her mistake.

Watch at 11:47 ↗

different if they don't know a thing you can't teach them that way at avoidance levels but you can proof it at avoidance levels

Watch at 4:36 ↗

Penny

Penny shows the same clarity technique on a walk: when she gets distracted and looks back in heel, her trainer speeds up so the mistake is obvious, then re-cues heel and marks good as she catches up.

On film

a little bit there. Heel. Good. So she got distracted there, started looking back, and

Watch at 11:33 ↗

then I sped up, exaggerated her mistake.

Watch at 11:47 ↗

Apollo (the Sharkie)

Apollo's place-duration session adds a limit of distance. The trainer walks all the way to the truck. When Apollo gets up at the end, the trainer does not correct it, because from that far away the correction would arrive too late to connect. A correction has a range, and past it the fair thing is to let it go.

On film

this would be way way too late for me to correct it so we're all the way at the truck over here now

Watch at 19:36 ↗

Savage

Savage, a Belgian Malinois in a protection program, shows the no-command rule applied to an owner in real time. The dog offered a down on his own, and the owner went to correct it. The trainer stops him because there was no command, so the correction would only confuse the dog. The trainer's own ladder is a marker and a second chance before the collar, and he says the collar has not been needed for correction at all.

On film

i mean you didn't give him a command so like because you didn't say plots right he just kind of auto did it so don't correct him if you didn't ask him to do it yeah because then he'll get confused

Watch at 21:32 ↗

then i'm gonna say uh-uh and give him a chance and if he doesn't do it again then i use the e-collar and i correct him right but i haven't had to correct him with the e-collar at all this whole time

Watch at 19:58 ↗

Reaper

The speeding ticket is the house illustration here too, with the random traffic stop as the inversion: a cop who pulls you over every time and never says why would make you afraid to drive. On a trail walk the rule is choice first - a bad choice gets a penalty, no bad choice gets nothing - and the trainer offers a calm pass of a family and a cyclist as evidence that a clear, contingent, easily avoided penalty works, and quickly. On a later walk he draws the line in so many words: walking and seeing people and dogs are never punished, 'we punish that one thing', so he should not be scared to go on a walk; 'everything else is lawful'.

On film

penalties need to be clear and contingent on their behavior because if it's unclear and not contingent on something they did they can't avoid it and that creates all kinds of problems psychologically for dogs and people

Watch at 43:41 ↗

kind of like if you got in your car and every time you got in your car and you drove off a cop pulled you over and gave you a ticket and didn't tell you why you would start to be afraid to get in your car and drive off

Watch at 43:54 ↗

And again, I'm going to let him make his choice first, and if he makes a bad choice, then I will cause a problem.

Watch at 5:31 ↗

simply penalizing something um in a way that's clear way that's contingent meaning that it's predictable to him and he can avoid it easily can make all the difference in the world and it can make that difference really quickly

Watch at 5:05 ↗

people don't know how to deal with something like this they don't know how to effectively penalize a dog in a way that's clear in a way that's contingent in a way that because it's contingent they can avoid in the future right because he shouldn't be scared to go on a walk

Watch at 10:32 ↗

he shouldn't be scared when he sees a person or a dog we don't want that that's why we don't punish walking we don't punish seeing them that's all perfectly okay right we punish that one thing right so then the boundary becomes clear

Watch at 10:44 ↗

Don't do that, right? That's not allowed. Everything else is lawful.

Watch at 11:11 ↗

Whiskey

The trainer tells the family that the same forward pull gets a firmer correction in an excitable dog and none in a nervous one: with Whiskey he stops and calls her back, and corrects only if she does not come, so it is 'very clear in her mind' that she was corrected for not coming back, not for being interested. The reason he gives: a wrong correction makes a nervous shepherd or herding dog freeze up and shut down, and costs weeks. A single warning bark at someone who keeps staring at her is not corrected at all - it is the starer's fault, and she gets a 'let's go' while he asks the person to stop.

On film

Then I'll be a little stricter about it and be like, hey, like, I'm going to correct that a little more firm.

Watch at 17:33 ↗

right so instead it's just more fair to just be like hey you know i'm gonna stop call you back to me if you come back everything's fine if you don't come back then i'm gonna correct you for not coming back right so it's very clear in her mind

Watch at 17:56 ↗

it's really important to be like 100 clear of like why she's being corrected okay especially for nervous stuff

Watch at 18:18 ↗

you do that to a nervous shepherd or any type of herding dog they go they freeze up and they're like shut down

Watch at 18:35 ↗

I'll just do a let's go command instead, instead of a correction, because I'm like, that's really your fault, right, you're not doing anything wrong, this is a normal dog behavior

Watch at 10:28 ↗

Beo

Kelton gives the owner the properties a penalty needs. The first is that it must be contingent on something the dog controls: a reflex, like turning when someone taps your shoulder while you wear headphones, will happen however often it is punished. Then the speeding ticket: because he knows it is contingent on his own driving, he can avoid it, and so he is not afraid to get in the car.

On film

one is it must be contingent on something they have control over right

Watch at 27:57 ↗

you did that you'd still do it because you're not choosing at that moment to do that right that's like a more of a reflex

Watch at 28:19 ↗

If I'm getting tickets, well, I just want to avoid those tickets, and I know it's contingent on my behavior, so I can avoid it.

Watch at 28:50 ↗

Kali

For house rules such as the couch, an 'uh-uh' is backed up, not said alone, and the test of the consequence is the dog's face: 'if they don't look like they just got punished they didn't get punished'. With no command in force, 'uh-uh' means the activity ends; the punishment has to follow and be significant enough that the dog will not do it again - and then 'okay' ends the bad event.

On film

for that one and then once that's done uh they're gonna look like they just got punished this is the whole point um if they don't look like they just got punished they didn't get punished

Watch at 17:27 ↗

the action you asked but if they weren't given any command they just did something bad if you say uh-uh they should be like done with that activity

Watch at 18:39 ↗

and then they shouldn't do it again so you have to make sure that the punishment follows it and that it's significant enough where they're like oh I'm not doing that again

Watch at 18:49 ↗

Kane

After a simple correction in a proofing down the trainer explains the check he runs every time: he wants the dog to recover quickly and run off, not to carry it for long; if the bad feeling lingers, he first helps the dog recover with play and running, then takes 'a hard look' at whether the severity was too much and dials it back.

On film

I always want to see that positive effect especially after I've had to use the e-collar or any other kind of negative reinforcement is that you know they recover quickly and they run off right I don't want to see it stick with them for too long

Watch at 11:02 ↗

i need to do two things one i need to do something that can help them help them to recover so we need to play we need to run

Watch at 11:32 ↗

and then link those things together and the second thing that I need to do is I need to take a hard look at the severity and penalty was it too much

Watch at 11:48 ↗

Pepper

For a boundary at the driveway the trainer makes fairness a matter of never mixing the signals: a correction at the same spot every time she crosses, excitement every time the owner comes back to her - 'you never miss you never cross them over'.

On film

and then you make it fair where it's like hey she stayed there for a while and then when we cross over right good girl we make it exciting

Watch at 19:11 ↗

so correction one way and excitement the other way and you just make it very clear you never miss you never cross them over

Watch at 19:38 ↗

Hattie

Asked about the risk of setting the collar too high, the trainer makes clarity the condition: if the correction is marked and understandable to the dog, too high is the much lower risk, because a level too low leaves no way to stop her in a real crisis such as going after the cat. (The levels discussed are left out here.)

On film

If it's marked and understandable to the dog, going too high is much lower risk than going too low.

Watch at 15:35 ↗

Astro

At Astro's evaluation the trainer draws the line for the owners: after a nope, the e-collar and a second call, he is not punishing the urge to go after something, only not listening to the command to leave it.

On film

call him again yeah yeah so that I'm I'm not punishing him for the urge of what

Watch at 16:30 ↗

he did right but I am punishing him for not listening to my command when I told

Watch at 16:37 ↗

Bandit

Kelton lists the main factors for a punishment in a session with Bandit: it has to be clear to the dog why it happened, and contingent on something he did and obvious to him - which is what makes it predictable and avoidable.

On film

So, yeah, but with the punishment, the main factors are it has to be clear to the dog why.

Watch at 23:58 ↗

Yeah. And then it has to be contingent on their behavior, meaning that it must depend on something they did and it must be obvious to them.

Watch at 24:08 ↗

Right. Yeah. Because that means that it is predictable and avoidable.

Watch at 24:17 ↗

Callie

On day two, with the collar just put on so she can get used to it, the trainer asks whether she knows sit, and rules out a penalty because she does not know it yet.

On film

I know I usually have my flexi for the sit do you know how to sit no okay we ain't gonna penalize

Watch at 1:28 ↗

you for that because you don't know yet I usually carry my flexi and it's really easy to just put

Watch at 1:45 ↗

Chunk

Before correcting Chunk for breaking the radius the trainer says why it is fair: it will be clear, because Chunk already knows the distance he is expected to keep. Natural curiosity, he adds, is not bad at all - the correction is for blatantly ignoring the handler.

On film

gonna punish for breaking the radius and that'll just and that'll be clear

Watch at 8:14 ↗

because he already knows that I prefer him to maintain a certain distance from

Watch at 8:21 ↗

Dolly

In a private lesson the owner is told the leash pop may hurt a little and that is the point: uncomfortable enough that she wants to avoid it, and very easy for her to avoid - like a hot stove.

On film

it right might be a little painful that's kind of the point um is that it's uncomfortable enough

Watch at 27:03 ↗

for her to want to avoid it she doesn't want to feel that again um but then it's very easy for

Watch at 27:07 ↗

Levi

At Levi's evaluation Connor explains a level chosen for this dog's coat, not his toughness: his hair is thick enough that the collar needs turning up, so he has it on about 60 - 55 does not get his attention, and 65 'goes into the territory' of punishment and is 'a little unfair to the dog'.

On film

attention enough and like 65 i find is just a little too high like to me that's goes into the

Watch at 3:48 ↗

and they're just like cranking it up to a point where it's a little unfair to the dog so 60 is

Watch at 4:00 ↗

Lunna

At the first in-program lesson the owner hears why the e-collar always comes after the word: the dog then knows what was wrong, while a collar out of the blue becomes more of a traumatic event.

On film

e-collar happens they know what why they did what's wrong if you just e-collar out of the blue they'll

Watch at 2:39 ↗

like what did i do and then it becomes more of a traumatic event for anything and i don't wake up

Watch at 2:45 ↗

Max

At Max's evaluations the trainer gives the knowledge condition twice. The collar is not introduced until the dog knows the command - 'So it's fair' - and when a scenario changes, even slightly, it is not fair to withhold a repeat of the command, because he is learning the new piece.

On film

I don't even introduce that until they know the command, right?

Watch at 14:37 ↗

So it's fair.

Watch at 14:40 ↗

new thing right it's not fair necessarily to not repeat because he's learning the new piece of it

Watch at 23:02 ↗

Milo

After stopping Milo and making him give up, the trainer shows the reconcile half: a second, then 'okay', and making it clear he is not still mad - then a walk to decompress before the next choice point, which Milo gets right.

On film

all i do after that is then i give him a second i say okay right and then i make it clear i'm not

Watch at 17:59 ↗

still mad at him right i don't have a problem right there's no issues here um you're cool

Watch at 18:05 ↗

Phoebe

At Phoebe's go-home lesson the family is told to say 'let's go' first and correct after, because a correction before the word leaves her asking what she did - the punched-for-no-reason analogy.

On film

then afterwards, keep it moving. And you want to do it after, because if you do it before,

Watch at 16:49 ↗

she'll be like, what did I do? Um, I kind of use the analogy of like, if, uh, and it's kind of

Watch at 16:54 ↗

Rocky

Two lessons test a correction against the conditions. Rubbing a dog's nose in an indoor accident (an old-school method he attributes to a 1950s book) fails because the events are disconnected by the lag. A correction for jumping meets them: it happened right away, it was clear why, and it was contingent on his action so he can avoid it - and it lasted a few seconds instead of being blunted at once.

On film

is because they're not connected the events are disconnected because sometimes it's such a lag

Watch at 34:43 ↗

he did the thing it happened right away right um and then it was clear and contingent on his

Watch at 51:49 ↗

action so he can avoid it yeah he can never have that happen again if he doesn't jump again

Watch at 51:55 ↗

Shadow (German Shepherd puppy)

At the first in-program lesson Connor puts the e-collar last in the chain - say it, 'eh', then the collar - because the collar is a really good way to confuse a dog: she has to know why she got it.

On film

It's the last thing because e-collar is a really good way to confuse a dog.

Watch at 16:02 ↗

So you got to make sure that there's a reason she knows why she got it.

Watch at 16:07 ↗

Sofia

At Sofia's first in-program owner lesson the rule is given in Spanish: pressure or punishment of any kind can be abusive without a clear goal - 'Si ella no sabe cómo evitarla porque no está clara, eso está muy mal' (if she doesn't know how to avoid it because it isn't clear, that is very wrong).

On film

Si está abusado sin una meta clara.

Watch at 21:34 ↗

Si ella no sabe cómo evitarla porque no está clara, eso está muy mal.

Watch at 21:40 ↗

Stormy

In a private lesson the owner hears the order: teach the escape first, with a little less pressure, and only as the dog knows more does the grace go down and the pressure go up - because pressure the dog cannot explain or escape sends her into a panic.

On film

doesn't even know how she can escape it that's a problem if they don't know why

Watch at 14:16 ↗

it's happening and they don't know how to escape it that just sends them into a

Watch at 14:21 ↗

how you escape it but then like the grace that you're giving to them goes

Watch at 14:29 ↗

Why it works

The stated mechanism is about predictability first and size second. A consequence the dog can trace to his own action, and prevent by choosing differently, is information. It changes that behaviour and leaves everything else alone: "they just learn to sit when you ask them to" (watch, 24:45). A consequence he cannot trace or prevent is a different thing, and the trainers name its product: psychological trauma (watch, 22:33), and being afraid to get in the car (watch, 17:29). Two September 2026 lessons add the same premise with a new illustration each: a reflex, like flinching at a tap on the shoulder you didn't hear coming, is not a choice and cannot be punished away (watch 28:19); and a cop who tickets you every time and never says why would make you afraid to drive (watch 43:54). The fairness exclusions (no command, invited excitement, a stranger's doing, a reflex, an attempt, a late correction) all follow from the same premise. A marker word said with every consequence makes the link explicit, and the word comes to carry the consequence (watch 00:46; watch 35:42). The size mechanism is an equation the trainers state outright. A dog weighs what he gets from a behaviour against what it costs him, and the correction has to outweigh the desire (watch 01:14; watch 26:47). A cost that never changes is priced in, like a fixed fine (watch 16:07; watch 62:14). The ceiling comes from the same place: commensurate, not overkill (watch 24:13), and bounded in duration (watch 03:08). Duration, social pressure and physical pressure are separate dials (watch 02:48; watch 40:13). The authorship half: negative reinforcement is already running in the dog's life whether or not anybody designed it (watch 23:04, 23:32). Inferred rather than said: nobody explains what the dog 'understands' when they say he understands why. The only evidence offered is a change in behaviour, which is a proxy, not the same claim. The floor and the ceiling are both judged by the dog's response, not set in advance - and in 2026 two trainers say what to look at: whether he looks punished (watch 17:27) and whether he recovers quickly afterwards (watch 11:02). No trainer explains how to tell 'too big' from 'big enough' before the fact, beyond the dog's temperament (watch 13:20) and the stakes of the behaviour (watch 02:52).

Where the trainers differ

How big: err small or err big?

One view

Size the correction to the dog, and most dogs need far less than owners think. People overcorrect attention lapses, a little tug is enough for a sensitive dog, and a social penalty from the owner can outweigh physical force.

On film

you don't have to do a lot of yanking here for um for something so simple as you know she was trying and she just kind of missed um because she got distracted so just a little tiny tug there

Bubba Gum · Watch at 13:08 ↗

really really hard dog is what they call them but 99 of people that think they have a hard dog don't

Bubba Gum · Watch at 42:13 ↗

there's a big difference between me going like hey like louder and like being like hey like I'm mad like what the heck guys and saying that one sentence and then that's it. Versus, have you ever had somebody like yell at you for more than like 20 seconds? Have you ever had anybody yell at you for like two or three minutes?

Roxy · Watch at 3:08 ↗

Then I'll be a little stricter about it and be like, hey, like, I'm going to correct that a little more firm.

Whiskey · Watch at 17:33 ↗

and then link those things together and the second thing that I need to do is I need to take a hard look at the severity and penalty was it too much

Kane · Watch at 11:48 ↗

Another view

Make it big enough to change the equation. A small fixed penalty is a fine the dog pays. One or two good corrections beat many weak ones, and when punishing reactivity it is safer to err high than low.

On film

more cautious to have it higher than it lower it's better if you accidentally go too high

Peque (PK) · Watch at 34:14 ↗

once you get one or two good corrections i'm talking about good he ain't gonna do it again

Major · Watch at 2:44 ↗

punish them very severely it wasn't a big enough deal though that's all it is um because like i would rather one severe punishment

Piglet · Watch at 51:07 ↗

a common mistake and it's just a but if you think about it that's just like the ten dollar fine

Murphy · Watch at 1:02:14 ↗

If it's marked and understandable to the dog, going too high is much lower risk than going too low.

Hattie · Watch at 15:35 ↗

and then they shouldn't do it again so you have to make sure that the punishment follows it and that it's significant enough where they're like oh I'm not doing that again

Kali · Watch at 18:49 ↗

How to read it

Probably not a real disagreement about principle. Side A is about attention lapses in a trying, sensitive dog. Side B is about self-rewarding or dangerous behaviour (reactivity, barking at passers-by, going after a cat, guarding). Both sides use the same test: judge it by what the dog does next. But an owner given only one side will misapply it, and no single session puts both together. The new dogs set one. Update 30 Sep 2026: the September lessons fit the same split. Hattie's trainer gives the err-high rule with its condition (marked and understandable) for a dog who chases the family cat; Whiskey's gives the size-to-the-dog rule for a nervous herding dog; Kane's adds the after-check (quick recovery, or a hard look at the severity).

How long should the penalty last?

One view

Short. One sentence and done. Two or three minutes of being told off is disturbing and teaches nothing. For a socially sensitive dog, stop the moment she is calm.

On film

there's a big difference between me going like hey like louder and like being like hey like I'm mad like what the heck guys and saying that one sentence and then that's it. Versus, have you ever had somebody like yell at you for more than like 20 seconds? Have you ever had anybody yell at you for like two or three minutes?

Roxy · Watch at 3:08 ↗

Another view

Until a complete stop, not a rolling one. Keep going for as long as the dog fights it, then prolong it a little in a disappointed tone so it weighs on him emotionally.

On film

You don't want to just do a roll stop. You want a complete stop.

Murphy · Watch at 1:03:47 ↗

the length of time that you'll keep doing it depends on what he does with the information so

Murphy · Watch at 1:03:05 ↗

How to read it

The same trainer (Kelton) gives both, to different households. The lengths may not actually conflict, since half a minute is not three minutes of shouting. The rule may be the one in Murphy's lesson: the dog's response decides the length. But the Roxy lesson frames long duration as harmful, and the Murphy lesson frames short duration as the common failure. See four-windows for the same split in calm-liberty corrections (about a minute for Bernie, 'sit in it for a second' for Thor).

What a serious behaviour sounds like when you answer it.

One view

Make a big issue of it. A dangerous choice is punished, and the message has to be unmistakable.

On film

big issue and you you want the message to be clear to them you're having a conversation a serious one

Bo · Watch at 3:07 ↗

Another view

Sound disappointed, not authoritative, and keep your hand still. With a dog who growls in a crate, an authoritative correction is the fight he expects.

On film

and then just do like a like uh instead of um like an authoritative thing just do like a like just kind of disappointed like dude why are you doing that

Bo · Watch at 2:56 ↗

How to read it

Murphy's lesson may partly reconcile these. The physical correction comes first, then the trainer goes 'slowly into disappointed mode' (watch 64:50). So disappointment can be the second phase of a serious correction, not a replacement for it. Nobody on film says these are two different operations. See prediction-error and return-to-baseline.

Whether the opportunity to get it wrong may be manufactured.

One view

Engineer it. The dog has to be given real choice points, and the trainer sets up situations (a cat, chickens) so the wrong choice can happen and be answered.

On film

if you don't practice that uh them being in that window on a regular basis they won't make the right choices because they've never had to try

Bo · Watch at 1:46 ↗

because uh kind of like what we were talking about um a little bit ago is that in order for them to learn they have to have the opportunity to make the choice um otherwise you're just avoiding it you're just managing it forever right

Piglet · Watch at 8:59 ↗

Another view

Not with people. The people who happen to be in a park are fair, but staging them as distractions is not. When a stranger starts the interaction, the dog's failure is not punished.

On film

there's some people so let's go see what he does i don't believe in using people as a distraction

Deuce · Watch at 6:29 ↗

the dude did engage with him of course so i'm not like gonna make that like a punishment

Deuce · Watch at 6:15 ↗

I'll just do a let's go command instead, instead of a correction, because I'm like, that's really your fault, right, you're not doing anything wrong, this is a normal dog behavior

Whiskey · Watch at 10:28 ↗

How to read it

These may divide cleanly: engineer with animals and environments, and take people as they come. No session says so. See must-make-the-bad-choice.

Common owner mistakes

  • Correcting something the dog was never asked not to do, such as a sniff, a stand-up, an offered position, or a jump nobody had commanded against.
    On film

    And then they get up and somebody punishes it. And in their mind, they're like, what did I do? I didn't do anything. You didn't tell me to do anything.

    Luna · Watch at 35:33 ↗

    i mean you didn't give him a command so like because you didn't say plots right he just kind of auto did it so don't correct him if you didn't ask him to do it yeah because then he'll get confused

    Savage · Watch at 21:32 ↗

    right so instead it's just more fair to just be like hey you know i'm gonna stop call you back to me if you come back everything's fine if you don't come back then i'm gonna correct you for not coming back right so it's very clear in her mind

    Watch at 17:56 ↗

    he shouldn't be scared when he sees a person or a dog we don't want that that's why we don't punish walking we don't punish seeing them that's all perfectly okay right we punish that one thing right so then the boundary becomes clear

    Watch at 10:44 ↗
  • Winding the dog up and then correcting the excitement you produced.
    On film

    It would be, like, if I was, like, hey, hold my hand.

    Deuce · Watch at 17:58 ↗
  • Correcting late, seconds or minutes after the event, or correcting before the dog has done anything at all.
    On film

    sometimes even with us when we train dogs if we don't correct them immediately after they did whatever they did even if you're two three seconds late that's it it was too late they can't make that connection

    Major · Watch at 4:33 ↗

    so did he so did he bark or lunge at him no i did it i did it before he did it okay so yeah so next

    Major · Watch at 13:52 ↗
  • Using a penalty so small it becomes the price of the behaviour, like beeping or vibrating, repeated all day.
    On film

    Is they have a situation like this. I tell them, hey, do this. And I come back and they're like, well, we didn't feel like we wanted to use shock or it felt mean.

    Murphy · Watch at 1:01:56 ↗
  • Overcorrecting a dog who was trying and just lost focus.
    On film

    you don't have to do a lot of yanking here for um for something so simple as you know she was trying and she just kind of missed um because she got distracted so just a little tiny tug there

    Bubba Gum · Watch at 13:08 ↗
  • Letting the telling-off run on.
    On film

    there's a big difference between me going like hey like louder and like being like hey like I'm mad like what the heck guys and saying that one sentence and then that's it. Versus, have you ever had somebody like yell at you for more than like 20 seconds? Have you ever had anybody yell at you for like two or three minutes?

    Roxy · Watch at 3:08 ↗
  • Repeating the command as the correction ('place, place'), so the command word starts to mean punishment.
    On film

    Because otherwise you might accidentally poison a command where he thinks that when you say a command and he doesn't do it and you just keep correcting him, that it's the, that that word, that command is supposed to mean punishment

    Clark Kent · Watch at 11:07 ↗
  • Training the pull without meaning to: a tight lead the whole way, with the pressure coming off at the destination.
    On film

    say they pull on the leash pull pull pull and then when they get to the thing they want the pressure turns off because you stand there looking at the phone

    Lola · Watch at 23:32 ↗
  • Treating every break the same. Forty-five minutes on place and a stretch is not a two-minute break.
    On film

    say he's been on place for like 45 minutes and then he kind of like gets up a little bit yeah but see it's like you know like okay dude like I'll give you that if you're on there for 45 exactly you can get up stretch your legs but then I'm gonna tell you to go right back

    King · Watch at 10:53 ↗
  • Correcting a nervous dog for being interested, instead of for not coming back when called.
    On film

    right so instead it's just more fair to just be like hey you know i'm gonna stop call you back to me if you come back everything's fine if you don't come back then i'm gonna correct you for not coming back right so it's very clear in her mind

    Watch at 17:56 ↗

    you do that to a nervous shepherd or any type of herding dog they go they freeze up and they're like shut down

    Watch at 18:35 ↗
  • Mixing the signals at a boundary - sometimes correcting the crossing, sometimes letting it go, or making the return dull.
    On film

    so correction one way and excitement the other way and you just make it very clear you never miss you never cross them over

    Watch at 19:38 ↗

Questions owners ask

Won't correcting my dog make him afraid of me?

The trainers say it depends on whether he can see it coming and avoid it. The illustration is always their own speeding tickets: I stopped speeding, and I am not afraid to get in the car. Then the half that makes it a real test: ticketed a few times for driving under the limit, with no reason given, you would be afraid to drive at all. On this account, what frightens an animal is unpredictability, not consequence. A dog who can trace what happened to something he did, and knows what to do instead, is described as unbothered: not afraid of the handler or the collar, just less likely to make that choice. One 2026 trainer puts the line where the dog can see it: walking and seeing other people and dogs are never punished, only 'that one thing', so the dog has no reason to fear the walk.

On film

so it's not like that because it's contingent and avoidable so that's all you got to do with penalties with dogs is if you penalize them and they understand why and then they learn how to avoid it they're cool everything's fine they're not afraid

Zeus · Watch at 18:20 ↗

If it's easily avoidable, if they know exactly what to do to avoid it, it's clear, it's contingent on something they control, they're not scared.

Piglet · Watch at 33:30 ↗

and then all they learn from that is not, oh, be afraid of him or or I'm afraid of the collar, I'm afraid of this, I'm afraid of that. They just learn to sit when you ask them to,

Kodak · Watch at 24:45 ↗

he shouldn't be scared when he sees a person or a dog we don't want that that's why we don't punish walking we don't punish seeing them that's all perfectly okay right we punish that one thing right so then the boundary becomes clear

Watch at 10:44 ↗

kind of like if you got in your car and every time you got in your car and you drove off a cop pulled you over and gave you a ticket and didn't tell you why you would start to be afraid to get in your car and drive off

Watch at 43:54 ↗

When should I not correct at all?

More often than most owners think. Don't correct if you gave no command: a sniff, a stand-up or an offered position is not disobedience. Don't correct excitement you wound up yourself, or a failure a stranger started. Don't correct a reflex such as a startle bark, because it isn't a choice. Don't correct a dog who is trying, even slowly or wrongly. And don't correct late. If you missed the moment, let it go and catch it next time. The same applies at a distance: if you are too far away to correct in time, don't. Two more from 2026 lessons: don't correct a nervous dog for being interested, only for not coming back when you call; and don't correct a single warning bark at someone who keeps staring at her - move her on with 'let's go'.

On film

Let's go. Yeah. So right there like I would not punish that. The reason that I would not punish that is that while she was sniffing there was no like clear command afterwards.

Luna · Watch at 48:44 ↗

say you had a dog that like if it got startled it went like this and barked like a little startled bark is that a choice or a reflex right or kind of like a reaction well it's more like a reflex

Bun · Watch at 32:55 ↗

You don't want to punish him too soon when he's in the middle of attempting to fulfill your commands.

Clark Kent · Watch at 30:21 ↗

this would be way way too late for me to correct it so we're all the way at the truck over here now

Apollo (the Sharkie) · Watch at 19:36 ↗

right so instead it's just more fair to just be like hey you know i'm gonna stop call you back to me if you come back everything's fine if you don't come back then i'm gonna correct you for not coming back right so it's very clear in her mind

Watch at 17:56 ↗

I'll just do a let's go command instead, instead of a correction, because I'm like, that's really your fault, right, you're not doing anything wrong, this is a normal dog behavior

Watch at 10:28 ↗

How big should a correction be?

Big enough to change his mind, and no bigger or longer than that. The trainers argue both edges. A penalty that is small and never changes is a fixed fine the dog pays happily. That is why 'beeping' and 'vibrating' so often end with the behaviour happening twenty times a day, and why 'one or two good corrections' are said to beat many weak ones. But most dogs are not 'hard' dogs, attention lapses need only a little tug, and a telling-off that runs for minutes is itself unfair. The measure is the dog. If he stops and does not go back, it was enough. If he goes straight back, it wasn't, and you change it instead of repeating it. Social pressure (your tone, and your relationship) is a separate dial from physical pressure, and with a sensitive dog it can do most of the work. Two checks from 2026 lessons: he should look like he was punished, or he wasn't; and he should recover quickly afterwards - if he stays down, help him recover and ask whether it was too much.

On film

and they got money pay five dollars all day there's no problem right if it fine never changes it's always the same

Peque (PK) · Watch at 16:07 ↗

you don't have to do a lot of yanking here for um for something so simple as you know she was trying and she just kind of missed um because she got distracted so just a little tiny tug there

Bubba Gum · Watch at 13:08 ↗

do it um the question is how do you know if it worked um you know it worked by what the dog does

Peque (PK) · Watch at 23:52 ↗

for that one and then once that's done uh they're gonna look like they just got punished this is the whole point um if they don't look like they just got punished they didn't get punished

Watch at 17:27 ↗

I always want to see that positive effect especially after I've had to use the e-collar or any other kind of negative reinforcement is that you know they recover quickly and they run off right I don't want to see it stick with them for too long

Watch at 11:02 ↗

If it's marked and understandable to the dog, going too high is much lower risk than going too low.

Watch at 15:35 ↗

How do I know whether a correction I'm about to give is fair?

Run the test. Is it clear, contingent on something he did, easily avoidable, and commensurate with what happened? Then run the owner's three constraints from a handover. Does it make you feel awful? Then don't. Could it injure him? Then definitely don't. And honestly, what happens if you do nothing compared with doing something? If a correction has failed, check clarity before you raise anything: did he understand, and did he hear you?

On film

it's clear it's contingent it's something that's easily avoidable and it was commensurate with the thing that actually happened right and it wasn't overkill

Bun · Watch at 32:24 ↗

uh, there's, uh, like probably three major constraints on how you might choose to penalize one of your dogs. One is your comfort level. How you feel about doing the thing? Does it make you feel awful? Don't do it. Right? Um, uh, uh, the second one is, could it cause injury to the dog? Definitely don't do it. Right? Um and then uh the third one is uh to think about if you don't do it versus if you do it which one works.

Roxy · Watch at 8:50 ↗

enough so as long as you check other things first like what did they understand was it clear to them did I say the command loud enough

Piglet · Watch at 1:02:10 ↗

Isn't using pressure on a dog wrong in principle?

The trainers' argument is that the pressure is already there, and the only question is who authors it. A dog pulls, the lead is tight the whole way, and at the destination the pressure comes off. That has taught him that pulling makes pressure stop, and nobody chose it. What the same trainer names as genuinely harmful is non-contingent pressure, the kind the dog cannot avoid because he cannot work out why it is happening. He adds that doing nothing at all is worse still.

On film

and so the question is whether or not we shake those negative reinforcers or we just let them be whatever they're gonna be

Lola · Watch at 23:04 ↗

non-contingent that one too if you do nothing then yeah that's even worse or non-contingent pressure pressure that they have no way to avoid because they don't understand why the pressure's happening if it's unclear then that's majorly problematic

Lola · Watch at 29:44 ↗

What do I do after I've corrected him?

Bring him back to normal. One trainer says two things must happen after any penalty. The dog is released back to freedom, and you reconcile with him: once he has got the point, 'okay', 'good girl, good job', and move on. The alternative route is to redirect: say no, ask for something else, and pay that. Which one you choose depends on the result you want.

On film

That's just a penalty punishment is you need to do two things need to happen afterwards The first thing that needs to happen is they need to be free again. You got to release them back to freedom

Piglet · Watch at 23:28 ↗

And then after you feel like she's gotten the point, then you go, okay, then you go, good girl, good job and you reconcile and you go let's go

Sage · Watch at 44:31 ↗

The lesson

The goal

The handler can state the fairness test in one sentence, run the exclusions before correcting anything, size a correction by the dog's response instead of by feel, and name which of the two routes out of a behaviour he is taking.

Learn first

See it done

  • The speeding-ticket argument, inverted, then the two limits on punishment. Watch at 17:29 ↗
  • The pressure is already there: the owner's own walk as the worked example. Watch at 23:04 ↗
  • A correction deliberately withheld, explained in the moment. Watch at 48:44 ↗
  • A handler coached from many small pops to one big pop with a loud 'nope'. Watch at 0:04 ↗
  • A social penalty from the owner, demonstrated with no physical force. Watch at 40:13 ↗
  • A penalty with a start, a middle and an end: pop and nope, a complete stop, disappointed mode, then release. Watch at 1:02:58 ↗

The drill

Work a session in which the handler says out loud, before every correction, what it is for and how the dog could have avoided it. If he cannot say both in one breath, the correction does not happen. Keep a watch-list of the exclusions for the same session, and have somebody count the near-misses: no command, invited excitement, a stranger's doing, a startle, an attempt, a late moment. Say 'nope' with every consequence. After each one, watch the next ten to twenty seconds. If the dog stops and stays stopped, it was enough. If he goes back, the next one changes and is not repeated. Close every penalty with a release and reconciliation. Then run both routes on one behaviour on purpose, once as a redirect and once as penalise-and-reconcile, and say which result you wanted before choosing. (Zeus watch; Luna watch; Peque watch and watch; Murphy watch; Sage watch; Piglet watch.)

Watch out for

  • Correcting something that was never commanded.
  • Correcting excitement the handler created, or a failure a stranger started.
  • Punishing a reflex or an honest attempt.
  • Correcting late, or from too far away to be timely.
  • A penalty so small it becomes the price of the behaviour.
  • Overcorrecting an attention lapse in a sensitive dog.
  • Letting the telling-off run on after it has landed.
  • Skipping the release and reconciliation.
  • Raising the level before checking whether the dog understood.
  • Correcting a nervous dog's curiosity rather than the ignored recall.
  • Moving on after a correction without checking that the dog has recovered.

Check yourself

Your dog has been on place for forty minutes. You call a friend over, get excited greeting them, and the dog gets up and jumps. What, if anything, do you correct? (Nothing, on two counts. The excitement was yours, and forty minutes of holding earns a re-send, not a penalty. Send him back to place and get on with it.)

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