From the training
Readiness before another repetition
In this session, the trainer explains the aim of a break: time for the dog to move around and feel ready before another repetition. Readiness matters more than simply pushing on.
Kali & Kane · Training lesson
The answer
The trainers repeatedly discuss changing the work when they believe the demands are too much for the dog at that moment. In Finn’s backyard session, the handler says he will return to an exercise another time rather than force it into shutdown (watch, 06:02–06:17). In a store session, a trainer describes having set the difficulty too high (watch, 17:17).
The distinction from uncertainty is also discussed. Lola’s trainer describes making an ongoing judgment about the pace she can handle (watch, 21:44). The same material contains discussion of tolerating some difficulty, but it does not establish that all learning requires distress or that visible panting is a necessary training target.
Adjustments take different forms. Sage’s trainer chooses fewer repetitions with longer breaks (watch, 12:05–12:23). Deuce’s trainer considers spacing attempts further apart and explains that a useful session need not continue indefinitely (watch, 15:10–16:30). In Kodak’s outing, the trainer declines to push further and questions what that would accomplish (watch, 56:58). Together the examples show changes in pacing, criteria and session length, not a fixed recovery schedule.
Other explanations distinguish an obedient-looking position from the dog’s broader response. Stormie’s trainer expresses a goal of building comfortable impulse control rather than suppressing behavior (watch, 07:14). The nearby prediction about training disappearing after a week or two is a trainer warning, not a measured follow-up result or universal timetable. Reading the whole sequence helps separate the behavior shown, the handler’s interpretation and the outcome still to be established.
Ozzy's e-collar, heel and down are all deferred, and for about a week nobody pushed him at all, because 'right now if I use the e-collar on him... we just scare the crap out' of him. Stormi's trainer: 'if i overwhelm her she'll just shut down'. Anna's says 'I have to try my best not to suppress her'; Kali's keeps a hard-to-rattle bully at the lowest level that works because 'these bullies can get there fast'. The husky's early sit session becomes a walk ('I don't want to drill you'), and Ace is allowed to decline a stranger's greeting, with the handler admitting he 'shouldn't have tried to force that'.
With Whiskey, a nervous herding dog, the trainer will not correct her curiosity at all - 'I could shut her down accidentally' - because one wrong correction can freeze her and cost 'two weeks'; he gives her more chances and more verbal cues instead. Kali's trainer prefers making a heel mistake bigger and clearer over punishing it and hauling her back, so that she can fix it 'without becoming suppressed'. And Stormi, a dog who locks up rather than reacts, gets her collar level chosen to avoid a yelp or a lock-up and, after one press that brings a lock-up, a short break and a fresh ask.
A wider reading of the session record adds sixteen dogs and two points the earlier editions only implied. First, pressure adds up: Chunk's trainer says no single command is pushing too hard - 'it's when they all like combine' - so starting one hard exercise can mean dropping the others that day. Second, the check runs after every correction, not only when things go wrong: Hattie's handler stops a duck chase and immediately wants to make sure she is 'not feeling suppressed'; Thor's says, mid-session, 'he's not shut down he's not repressed'; and a trainer in a Phoebe session separates shaking it off, which is normal, from freezing up and being suppressed, which means 'you've made mistakes'. The rest are the same rule in new places: leaving an outing that is only stressing the dog (Callie), dropping a down until the dog is in a better headspace (Kalypso), no full heel from a nervous dog on day one - 'ludicrous' and 'rather cruel' (Daisy), no stomping the leash (Roman), no shouting commands (the March Zeus), and switching to play when a dog is scared of correction (Thumper).
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What to do
Stop asking when your dog stops participating: give him free time or a walk, space the repetitions further apart, make the next ask smaller, or end the session and come back to it another day (watch 12:05; watch 06:12; watch 16:30). Do not add pressure to finish a repetition that is going badly, and do not correct and then stay cross afterwards (watch 09:29). A quiet, flat dog who does everything is not proof the training worked (watch 06:59).
What the trainers say
we're not going to force him to try and do things if it is just going to shut him down i don't want him to shut him down because that's just going to make it my job so much worse and make it more miserable for him
so if he continues to resist and is just not going to cooperate we'll come back to it at another time
so when working with dogs sometimes you gotta gauge the level today i tried to gauge the level and actually i i gauged it too high so he's a little shut down right now it's not a shutdown like a permanent shutdown or anything of that nature you get nothing that bad but it's just enough for his brain in terms of doing commands commands he's down like he's just kind of in survival mode
that's the problem when you try to gauge how fast can a dog do each command it can be like pretty sketchy and then of course you can build negative associations
he's kind of locked in a little bit he's panting so and eyes his eyes are always dilated i can never tell when he's actually nervous because the pupils stay dilated all the time because he's just scared all the time
the important thing is would you you rather have a nervous dog that pants for a little bit right you get some you're gonna get a little bit of panting through the learning process or you never make the dog pant but the dog never really learns
oh look she's smiling that's a sign of anxiety so with the tail like that
i'm introducing things to her at a pace that she can handle it and as a trainer you do kind of have to decide like what like how much can she handle it it's not not my place to decide per se she decides right but it is my job to look at her and make an educated guess about has she taken in too much
The big thing with a nervous dog is that it's very easy to make a nervous dog look opened up, when in reality you've repressed them and aren't managing it well. To get a nervous dog truly opened up, you have to not repress at all, because obviously repressing is a form of, you know, closing the dog up.
there's a term called velcro dog you ever heard of it it's where like they take a nervous dog or a dog that doesn't listen well and they use the e-collar and like reinforcement so much so the dog's scared to leave the side and so for the rest of his life it just follows the owner around like this and because they repressed the dog like so hard the dog has no soul anymore not a fan of that
the other thing is like correcting her but after you do it make sure it's really fun and it's really like there's no like residual like i hate you energy going on um because with her pressure could shut her down really fast
a week or two after she comes home and the repression goes away what happens the training goes away
so sometimes it does take a little bit longer in the program than we'd like it to but i would rather her just learn the impulse control be very comfortable with it as opposed to like traumatizing or repressing her into the to the impulse control
younger we gotta make sure that there's less pressure on her because right now like if you
But you do too many reps and you'll shut a dog down.
Like, obviously, I've talked about this before, different breeds, faster or the shorter the resting period needs to be in between each rep.
a lot of fight man don't do that I don't want I don't want to fight you good job
do it. So, again, not driving her to the point where she's like, "I can't do it, right?" But, we're just applying some pressure. Cuz that is a healthy amount of pressure.
counting a little bit of shutdown right now i'm not really sure why
but he also seems like he's a little bit more suppressed than i'd like to see him
Yeah, the emotional state of the dog is like God. It is all important. I worship
to push it when when there's not anything there for him at that moment it's just a bad idea to
now i think that actually i think i worked slightly too hard it'll be fine but i might maybe wait a little bit longer between because right now he's showing very light signs of just a little bit of like a drilling commands too fast so his brain's a little just a little out of it
the good thing is you don't need your session to be forever if you accomplish something
I don't want to work him in the sun though. That just feels cruel.
another thing about dulce she does shut down semi-quickly
well that was a really good session with dulce i well maybe not the most everything went well type one we did have a lot of healthy conflict
I'm not gonna pull on you. I'm just gonna wait.
Um, so I don't really have to manufacture situations to stamp authority. It's not unnecessary with him. So if I know he likes down better, I just put him to down.
could i get obedience out of it yeah sure i could teach him obedience but how would it look it would look gross it would look disgusting
We want a happy-looking dog, ideally. So the happier your dog looks, that's the proof. The proof's in the pudding.
to that question is no right and that's okay right uh that's another thing i'm accepting that answer in this case right i'm accepting that answer because there's no need for me to push that what would be the purpose of it what would accomplish well it makes me feel good who cares honestly who cares I want to make him feel good
she needs some extra time in between you'll see like in some of our videos inside when when she was more nervous inside before I there's like 10-15 minutes in between some of the reps and that's because like I would rather get fewer reps done but have her in a good emotional stage time then try to like push through. Pushing through doesn't always do much much good.
Let's just walk for a bit. I don't want to get you shut down already
this is good exposure for her, as long as she doesn't go into a bad emotional state here.
their tail's a little low right now so we need to wind down because she thinks out here means sucky experience every time it's not good
we'll come back to the down a little bit later maybe she needs to open up a little more
Cause usually I would go for 15 or 20 minutes. She pooped out at like nine minutes. So this is when I try to give her the time she needs.
Well, the other thing too is like just knowing how to push, but like push to where it's like, if there's like a threshold, if you get like near where they're like close, but they're not like, they don't shut down, right? They're just like, oh, that was a lot, right?
I think that that was plenty for him to, like, learn that lesson, I'm not going to push it and try to go for another set
I think it'll just make it worse.
for a dog like stormy she's already kind of like nervous if i overwhelm her she'll just shut down
Yeah, we gave him like probably about a week, wasn't it, where we really didn't push him.
So she I have to try my best not to suppress her because she gets stressed real easily
Probably shouldn't have tried to force that a little bit.
you don't want to add pressure of any type of obedience too early because then you can accidentally shut the dog down
I want to make sure she's really comfortable and really involved with the game stuff before we layer anything else in. And that's like our protocol with all cases, and every dog's different, so we have to figure that out as they show us new things.
you do that to a nervous shepherd or any type of herding dog they go they freeze up and they're like shut down and they're like why why you told me this whole time you want me to go explore and sniff and now all of a sudden and you corrected me because I like got interested right right so maybe I shouldn't be interested anymore right and then you go back two weeks of everything that just happened
And so there, it's like, I'm not going to correct that because I could shut her down accidentally, right?
but yeah you can get a lot more clarity if you just go ahead and make the mistake bigger that way they can see the mistake more clearly and that makes it easier for them to fix it without becoming suppressed or feeling like they don't understand
but with her she locks up a little bit so i can't do exactly what i would do with a shepherd because some shepherds like you could just work them work and work them she'll lock up so i'm trying to balance it out well for her
Now I'm just gonna let him do what he wants
don't want to make him uncomfortable either I don't want to like push it too much because I
If it's not productive to be out here because it's stressing her out or getting her more anxious,
to shut down a teeny bit yeah um like i don't want to push too hard well it's not just it's
i never think of like a single command is pushing too hard it's when they all like combine on top
out but i don't want to traumatize him like even though i'm not hurting him he could genuinely just
that would be ludicrous to expect of a dog
as nervous as her, and frankly, rather cruel.
to happen especially not with drago um that will just make him go and shut down and start walking
duck good girl okay i want to make sure she's not feeling suppressed or anything like that i want
so I just kept it a little smaller, a little slower, and didn't push too hard, right?
we're gonna let that go until you're in a better better headspace we're gonna have to get her into
When they're under unhealthy stress, you see a bunch of, like, bad fallout signs where they freeze up and they're, like, suppressed really over much and they're doing a bunch of weird stuff.
different ways that they can respond to that. One way they can respond to that is by freezing
the ground that's just going to create extra stress and then shut them down and they don't
tired now good girl so I wouldn't push that right because then you're like
he's not shut down he's not repressed Thor come come good Thor sit
nervousness, almost even scared when I correct him. Thumper, this way. So what we're going to do
commands at them like that because that's how you shut a dog down but like right here hopefully
How it looks, dog by dog
Finn
Finn is the case the existing concept was written from, and it is also the case where a handler films his own failure. On a store field trip he says, on camera, that he tried to gauge how much the dog could take that day and gauged it too high - and then describes exactly what that bought: not a permanent shutdown, but enough that the dog's brain cannot do commands any more, just kind of in survival mode. He names the general problem in the next breath: gauging how fast a dog can take each command is sketchy, and getting it wrong builds negative associations. The complication on this dog is that the usual readout is missing - his pupils are permanently dilated, so the trainer says outright that he can never tell when Finn is actually nervous. A backyard session gives the rule itself, and it has two halves, one about the dog and one about the business: we are not going to force him if it is just going to shut him down, because it makes my job so much worse and makes it more miserable for him - and if he keeps resisting, we come back to it another time. Which he then does: a down is asked for, refused twice, and abandoned without escalation.
On film
so when working with dogs sometimes you gotta gauge the level today i tried to gauge the level and actually i i gauged it too high so he's a little shut down right now it's not a shutdown like a permanent shutdown or anything of that nature you get nothing that bad but it's just enough for his brain in terms of doing commands commands he's down like he's just kind of in survival mode
that's the problem when you try to gauge how fast can a dog do each command it can be like pretty sketchy and then of course you can build negative associations
we're not going to force him to try and do things if it is just going to shut him down i don't want him to shut him down because that's just going to make it my job so much worse and make it more miserable for him
so if he continues to resist and is just not going to cooperate we'll come back to it at another time
He thought about sniffing you.
He did good.
He doesn't want to play.
Give him a sec to warm up.
Lola
Lola is a nervous dog and her file argues both ends of the range, which is why it is the most useful one here. The lower bound is set as a question: would you rather have a dog who pants a little through the learning process, or a dog you never make pant who never learns. The same passage removes the excuse owners hide behind - a nervous dog under stress is not psychologically different from a confident one, she just shows it differently - and reads the dog's face against the owner's interpretation, because the tongue people call a smile is a sign of anxiety. Who sets the dose is answered carefully: the dog decides, and the trainer's job is to look at her and make an educated guess about whether she has taken in too much. The upper bound is set harder, and against the trainer's own trade. It is easy to make a nervous dog look opened up when what you have actually done is repress her, and to open her up properly you have to not repress at all. At the handover it acquires a name and a picture: the velcro dog, produced by so much collar and reinforcement that the dog is frightened to leave your side for the rest of his life - repressed so hard the dog has no soul any more. Not a fan of that.
On film
the important thing is would you you rather have a nervous dog that pants for a little bit right you get some you're gonna get a little bit of panting through the learning process or you never make the dog pant but the dog never really learns
i'm introducing things to her at a pace that she can handle it and as a trainer you do kind of have to decide like what like how much can she handle it it's not not my place to decide per se she decides right but it is my job to look at her and make an educated guess about has she taken in too much
The big thing with a nervous dog is that it's very easy to make a nervous dog look opened up, when in reality you've repressed them and aren't managing it well. To get a nervous dog truly opened up, you have to not repress at all, because obviously repressing is a form of, you know, closing the dog up.
there's a term called velcro dog you ever heard of it it's where like they take a nervous dog or a dog that doesn't listen well and they use the e-collar and like reinforcement so much so the dog's scared to leave the side and so for the rest of his life it just follows the owner around like this and because they repressed the dog like so hard the dog has no soul anymore not a fan of that
Stormie
Stormie is a young, soft dog, and her file makes the anti-repression argument to an owner rather than to a camera - and makes it partly on commercial grounds, which is what gives it force. The second reason is more practical and is the one an owner should hear: a week or two after she comes home the repression wears off, and the training goes with it. So the program runs slower on purpose - he would rather she learn impulse control and be comfortable with it than be traumatised or repressed into it - and he tells the family she is on schedule rather than behind. A handler briefing another handler before a session says the same thing as an instruction: she is young, less pressure, because too much and she will shut down fairly quickly. And in another session you can hear it happen and be handled: he is a little frozen, so let's chill out and run around for a bit.
On film
a week or two after she comes home and the repression goes away what happens the training goes away
younger we gotta make sure that there's less pressure on her because right now like if you
all right he's a little frozen so we're gonna let's chill out let me run around for a little bit and see how this goes
Dutchess
The cause first: too many repetitions will shut a dog down on their own, and the rest interval between them is treated as a variable that changes by breed and by dog. And then the response. It is a different move from stopping before a shutdown, because this dog has not gone flat, she has gone hard. The answer given is to decline the contest rather than win it.
On film
But you do too many reps and you'll shut a dog down.
Like, obviously, I've talked about this before, different breeds, faster or the shorter the resting period needs to be in between each rep.
a lot of fight man don't do that I don't want I don't want to fight you good job
do it. So, again, not driving her to the point where she's like, "I can't do it, right?" But, we're just applying some pressure. Cuz that is a healthy amount of pressure.
Bullet
Four minutes in the trainer says he is counting a little bit of shutdown and is not really sure why; he lets the dog run around wherever he wants; he says the dog seems more suppressed than he would like to see; and he decides the answer is not a different exercise but more time spent chilling and bonding. A much longer session elsewhere states the principle behind it in a form nobody else uses - the emotional state of the dog is like God, it is all important - and concludes that pushing when there is nothing there for the dog at that moment is simply a bad idea. His first day out carries the same idea as a rule for first sessions: day one is not for running commands, it is for the trainer to learn what this dog is like.
On film
counting a little bit of shutdown right now i'm not really sure why
it um i think i need to spend a little bit more time just chilling with him and bonding
Yeah, the emotional state of the dog is like God. It is all important. I worship
it's very important that the first time you take a dog out you don't just start going all right sit down place you know you start doing all that stuff yet um you test test how that stuff might go but significantly speaking day one is about learning for me i'm learning what this dog is like i'm learning what this dog is like so that i can train him properly and know how to coach the owners
Deuce
Deuce is a large, robust adolescent rather than a nervous dog, and his file shows the same rule applied where nobody would expect it. Mid-session the trainer grades his own pacing and finds it slightly too hard - the dog is showing very light signs of commands being drilled too fast, and his brain is a little out of it - and the fix he chooses is not fewer commands but longer gaps between them. He then states the thing that makes early stopping bearable for a handler who feels he should be doing more: the session does not need to last forever if you accomplished something. Another session adds two more stop conditions that have nothing to do with the dog's mind - heat, because working him in the sun just feels cruel, and tiredness, read off an increase in pulling rather than off anything dramatic.
On film
now i think that actually i think i worked slightly too hard it'll be fine but i might maybe wait a little bit longer between because right now he's showing very light signs of just a little bit of like a drilling commands too fast so his brain's a little just a little out of it
the good thing is you don't need your session to be forever if you accomplish something
I don't want to work him in the sun though. That just feels cruel.
yeah so he's already like kind of tired out he's starting to pull more usually it's a sign of him being tired when we're in training like this
Dolce
Dolce is a protection-program Rottweiler whose obedience ran ahead of her confidence. Her handler says she shuts down 'semi-quickly', and yet calls one hard session 'really good' because it had a lot of 'healthy conflict'.
On film
another thing about dulce she does shut down semi-quickly
well that was a really good session with dulce i well maybe not the most everything went well type one we did have a lot of healthy conflict
Is there like a three minute break so she can just like calm down so she doesn't get pressured or anything like that?
Sage
Sage is a nervous dog whose sessions show what stopping early actually costs in footage: long, apparently empty stretches. The trainer explains them. He gives her free time and lets her do whatever she wants for a few minutes because she needs extra time between repetitions, and points out that in earlier videos there are ten or fifteen minutes between some reps - because he would rather get fewer repetitions done with her in a good emotional state each time than push through, and pushing through does not do much good. In a store he says the quiet part to the dog rather than the camera: let's just walk for a bit, I don't want to get you shut down already. And in another store the whole exposure is made conditional on it - this is good exposure for her, as long as she does not go into a bad emotional state here.
On film
she needs some extra time in between you'll see like in some of our videos inside when when she was more nervous inside before I there's like 10-15 minutes in between some of the reps and that's because like I would rather get fewer reps done but have her in a good emotional stage time then try to like push through. Pushing through doesn't always do much much good.
Let's just walk for a bit. I don't want to get you shut down already
this is good exposure for her, as long as she doesn't go into a bad emotional state here.
Kodak
Kodak is a fearful dog who wanted to bolt, and his file states the order of operations that sits underneath this whole concept. Could obedience be got out of him? Yes - and it would look gross, it would look disgusting. What is wanted instead is a happy-looking dog, and the happier the dog looks, the more that is the proof. The trainer is careful to say what that does not mean: not that they stop using negative reinforcement, or requiring things, or setting boundaries, or penalising - only that there is an order, and other things have to happen first. Fifty minutes into a first session he demonstrates the discipline of it. Asked, in effect, whether he could push a little further, the answer is no, and the reasoning is the most unusual thing in this concept: what would it accomplish, it makes me feel good, who cares - I want to make him feel good.
On film
could i get obedience out of it yeah sure i could teach him obedience but how would it look it would look gross it would look disgusting
That does not mean that we don't use negative reinforcement or we don't require them to do things, or that we don't create boundaries or penalize things, it just means that there's an order of operations. There's other things that need to happen first.
to that question is no right and that's okay right uh that's another thing i'm accepting that answer in this case right i'm accepting that answer because there's no need for me to push that what would be the purpose of it what would accomplish well it makes me feel good who cares honestly who cares I want to make him feel good
King
King had no authority problem and no fear problem, and his file is where the rule is applied in its least dramatic form. Offered a down for a sit, he is allowed it, because down is more comfortable and he is not testing anyone: 'I don't really have to manufacture situations to stamp authority'. In a shop, frightened of ceiling fans, the whole intervention is to stop pulling and wait.
On film
I'm not gonna pull on you. I'm just gonna wait.
Um, so I don't really have to manufacture situations to stamp authority. It's not unnecessary with him. So if I know he likes down better, I just put him to down.
Luna
Luna's file is the one where sessions are visibly cut short on a read of the dog, repeatedly, and the reads are named. Her tail is a little low, so the session is wound down - and the reason given is about what she is learning to expect: she thinks out here means a bad experience every time, and that is not good. A down is shelved mid-session rather than pressed, on the guess that she needs to open up a little more first. And a short session is explained rather than apologised for: he would usually go fifteen or twenty minutes, she was finished at nine, so this is where he gives her the time she needs. Another session shows the read that stops a session before it starts - a yawn that, he says, tells him everything.
On film
their tail's a little low right now so we need to wind down because she thinks out here means sucky experience every time it's not good
we'll come back to the down a little bit later maybe she needs to open up a little more
Cause usually I would go for 15 or 20 minutes. She pooped out at like nine minutes. So this is when I try to give her the time she needs.
good I know you don't want to do that cuz that yawn tells me everything
Roxy
There is knowing how to push, and then there is pushing to where the dog is close to threshold but not shut down - where the dog's reaction is something like whoa, that was a lot. What sits underneath it in the same conversation is the reason any of it is worth doing: pressure with a release teaches the dog to cope with pressure, because a great many dogs have no idea what to do with that feeling at all - they tighten up and feel weird - and what they get out the other side is relief, then resilience, then competence.
On film
Well, the other thing too is like just knowing how to push, but like push to where it's like, if there's like a threshold, if you get like near where they're like close, but they're not like, they don't shut down, right? They're just like, oh, that was a lot, right?
so the second one is actually is actually negative reinforcement so putting some pressure and then having a release to freedom it's the context it teaches them to cope cope with pressure so a lot of times they have no idea what to do with like that feeling they tighten up they feel weird they don't know to do right
do it successfully you feel relieved and then you gain resilience you start to feel more competent you know what to do and knowing what to do is huge right so
Zeus
Zeus's session gives the cheerful version of the same discipline, on a dog who is neither nervous nor fragile. He had been biting at the leash; he learned that sitting is what gets him out of the pressure and back to freedom and fun, and that biting the leash is not. And then, with the lesson visibly landed, the trainer stops: that was plenty for him to learn that lesson, so he is not going to push it and go for another set.
On film
he learned the lesson right that he can get out of it by just sitting and everything's cool and he gets like lots of freedom and goes and has fun but he can't get out of it by um by trying to bite the leash off
I think that that was plenty for him to, like, learn that lesson, I'm not going to push it and try to go for another set
Bo
Bo's contribution is small and it is about quality rather than quantity. Watching a rep that produced the position he asked for, the trainer rejects it - he does not want the dog to just suppress and go into the down, he wants him to go smoothly into the position. That is the same distinction the rest of this concept turns on, applied to a single repetition rather than to a session: a dog who has complied because he has given up looks, from the outside, exactly like a dog who has learned. In another session the judgement is even shorter, and it is about continuing at all: it will just make it worse, and it will not be productive.
On film
Come here Bo. Come here. Yeah, I don't want that. I don't want him to just suppress and go into the down I want him just to go smoothly into the position.
I think it'll just make it worse.
Ozzy
The richest single-dog record of deferral: the e-collar, the heel and the down are all put off because the dog cannot take them yet. For about a week nobody pushed him at all; the trainer says that if he used the collar now it would just scare him, and that for this dog every ordinary day is already pushing.
On film
Yeah, we gave him like probably about a week, wasn't it, where we really didn't push him.
in yeah I just right now if I use the e-collar on him I think honestly we just scare the crap out
Pretty much every day for him is already pushing in.
Anna
Every handler who describes Anna names the risk of suppressing her and sizes the pressure to avoid it: she gets stressed very easily, and the trainer tells her out loud that he is not asking her to submit.
On film
So she I have to try my best not to suppress her because she gets stressed real easily
i'm not asking you to submit anna it's okay
Kali
A bully-type dog who barely reacts to the collar is still kept at the lowest level that works, with resets between repetitions, because 'these bullies can get there fast': suppression can arrive suddenly after apparent resilience. When she drifts out of the heel, her trainer side-steps away to make the mistake bigger rather than punishing it and pulling her back, because punishing and pulling can make a dog brace and resist and end up needing 'way more pressure' - while a bigger, clearer mistake lets her fix it 'without becoming suppressed or feeling like they don't understand'.
On film
okay good girl and i usually call it a few times there um pretty low level right because i don't want to get her all suppressy-wessy uh these bullies can get there fast
is to just make it really like ultra clear right because if you just if you just punish it right there and then try to pull them back into position um what can happen is you can make it worse right so they can brace or resist and then you're going to end up having to use way more pressure
but yeah you can get a lot more clarity if you just go ahead and make the mistake bigger that way they can see the mistake more clearly and that makes it easier for them to fix it without becoming suppressed or feeling like they don't understand
Stormi
A young, nervous shepherd-type dog: radius work not pressed, pressure raised in small steps, a stalled sit met with encouragement. Her trainer balances it out: when she barely responds to the e-collar at 20 he considers going only to about 22, 'just because I don't want to get a yelp' and does not want her uncomfortable; a missed sit in front of her owner gets a reset instead of a correction because of her nerves; and the owner is told that if one press brings a lock-up, move on for a few seconds and then ask again.
On film
for a dog like stormy she's already kind of like nervous if i overwhelm her she'll just shut down
hey buddy don't shut down on me
but with her she locks up a little bit so i can't do exactly what i would do with a shepherd because some shepherds like you could just work them work and work them she'll lock up so i'm trying to balance it out well for her
she didn't really respond to the e-collar on 20 there
I think it might turn up about 22 just because I don't want to get a yelp and I don't want her to be uncomfortable
i'm gonna reset here because also because of her nerves i don't want to like build bad like reactions towards so i usually will reset
if i hit the button like once and i hate i see her do like a thing and she's like still there i'm like okay she's locked up so we'll like move on for like a couple seconds and then i'll go back and do a sit
Shadow (Siberian Husky)
An early sit session: tail carriage and avoidance read as suppression, and the session turned into a walk. 'I don't want to drill you.'
On film
what's up buddy you're super suppressed all right well let's go walk around have some fun
i don't want to drill you i just want to do a couple suits that's it bro
Ace (Chihuahua-terrier mix)
A nervous small dog is allowed to decline a stranger. The person is told to stay still and let him come and sniff; when he will not, the greeting is dropped, and the handler says he probably should not have tried to force it.
On film
Yeah, just stay there let him come sniff you
Probably shouldn't have tried to force that a little bit.
Neo
Stress, confusion, avoidance and freezing on the down; the handler notices the shutdown, moves on, takes breaks and lowers the level.
On film
you just shut down
Milo
When a small dog panics at a lower setting than he has taken before, the trainer reads it as sensitisation, turns it down further and waits for baseline before the next trial, rather than pushing through.
On film
That was on like only a quarter of the level
Muna
The preventive form on day one. Muna's confidence is low - when the trainer pulls on the tug in competition she lets it go - so for the next couple of days there is no obedience at all, only play, because adding pressure now 'will just make it worse'.
On film
but as soon as there's like a little competition and pressure me like pulling on it she lets it go
so we're gonna work on that next couple days before we get into any obedience because if I try to do obedience now it will just make it worse because I don't want to add too much pressure to a situation or anything like that.
I want to make sure she's really comfortable and really involved with the game stuff before we layer anything else in. And that's like our protocol with all cases, and every dog's different, so we have to figure that out as they show us new things.
Tesla
The same trainer, the same day-one rule on a more confident dog: no obedience until the game is solid and engagement is high, 'because then you can accidentally shut the dog down'. Because she already wants to chase the ball, he expects to start obedience sooner than with Muna, but the timing is left to the dog - 'we kind of let the dog show us when they're ready'.
On film
you don't want to add pressure of any type of obedience too early because then you can accidentally shut the dog down
we kind of let the dog show us when they're ready for those things again so we don't accidentally suppress anything right it's really easy to do that if you if you're not paying attention to what the dog really wants to do
Whiskey
The correction-error form. With a nervous herding dog, the trainer will not correct her for being interested in something - 'I could shut her down accidentally' - and only corrects her for not coming back when called. He explains the cost to the family: an excitable dog shrugs off a mistaken correction, but a nervous shepherd or herding dog freezes up and decides she should not be interested any more, and 'you go back two weeks'. So he uses the e-collar less with her, gives her more chances and does a lot more verbally.
On film
And so there, it's like, I'm not going to correct that because I could shut her down accidentally, right?
you do that to a nervous shepherd or any type of herding dog they go they freeze up and they're like shut down and they're like why why you told me this whole time you want me to go explore and sniff and now all of a sudden and you corrected me because I like got interested right right so maybe I shouldn't be interested anymore right and then you go back two weeks of everything that just happened
to the corrections which is why like I don't use the e-collar for everything I try to I give her more chances i do a lot more verbal
Archie
Mid-session the trainer gives Archie a couple of minutes to do what he wants, saying so on camera: he does not want to push him.
On film
Now I'm just gonna let him do what he wants
his eyes, I don't wanna push him.
Astro
After correcting Astro's growling at other dogs the trainer wants to keep working on it but stops short, because the state he is in now is good and pushing further would only make him uncomfortable.
On film
don't want to make him uncomfortable either I don't want to like push it too much because I
Callie
On evening walks the trainer states the exit rule in advance: if being out there is only stressing her or making her more anxious, they go back to the property for low-distraction work.
On film
If it's not productive to be out here because it's stressing her out or getting her more anxious,
then we will definitely go back to the property and do some training there, low-distraction training.
Chunk
The trainer says Chunk has a tendency to shut down a little, and that pressure adds up: no single command is pushing too hard, it is when they all combine - so starting the radius may mean working on nothing else that day. After a bolt in a later session he resets because Chunk could traumatise himself even though he is not being hurt.
On film
to shut down a teeny bit yeah um like i don't want to push too hard well it's not just it's
i never think of like a single command is pushing too hard it's when they all like combine on top
out but i don't want to traumatize him like even though i'm not hurting him he could genuinely just
Daisy
On the first day with a new handler, the trainer rules out asking a nervous Daisy for a full heel: it would be ludicrous to expect, and rather cruel.
On film
that would be ludicrous to expect of a dog
as nervous as her, and frankly, rather cruel.
Drago
At the go-home lesson the family is told to use whatever pressure gets the behaviour, but not heavy pressure - especially not with Drago, because it makes him shut down and walk on eggshells for no reason.
On film
to happen especially not with drago um that will just make him go and shut down and start walking
Hattie
Straight after stopping her from chasing a duck, the handler checks the other side of the correction: he wants to be sure she is not suppressed, and that she is happy and still looking at things.
On film
duck good girl okay i want to make sure she's not feeling suppressed or anything like that i want
Kalypso
On day one, when the down produces a tucked tail and submissive behaviour under pressure, the trainer drops it for now - until she is in a better headspace - and lists gentler routes to the position instead.
On film
we're gonna let that go until you're in a better better headspace we're gonna have to get her into
Phoebe
In a play session the trainer draws the line between ordinary and unhealthy stress: shaking it off is normal, but freezing up and being suppressed are fallout signs - and seeing them means the handler made mistakes.
On film
When they're under unhealthy stress, you see a bunch of, like, bad fallout signs where they freeze up and they're, like, suppressed really over much and they're doing a bunch of weird stuff.
That's, you've done, you've made mistakes.
Rocky
On day one, working on a flat collar, the trainer explains why resilience to pressure is built gradually: a dog terrified of even slight pressure can respond by freezing, and that is a dog that is shut down and scared.
On film
different ways that they can respond to that. One way they can respond to that is by freezing
right they can freeze up and that's no good because then you have a dog that's really
shut down really scared really freaked out nobody wants that we're happy dogs
Roman
At the evaluation, teaching the down with leash pressure is contrasted with stepping hard on the leash to stomp the dog into the ground, which creates extra stress, shuts him down and kills his interest in play.
On film
the ground that's just going to create extra stress and then shut them down and they don't
Stormy
In the first private lesson the trainer stops the pick-up exercise because she is probably tired, and says why: pushing further would be pushing for no reason.
On film
tired now good girl so I wouldn't push that right because then you're like
pushing for no reason the majority of the time that she was sleeping today
Thor
On day one in the park, trying a little negative reinforcement, the trainer checks the dog against the failure signs as he goes - he is not shut down, not repressed - while keeping the mood high.
On film
he's not shut down he's not repressed Thor come come good Thor sit
Thumper
At the dog park Gemma notices Thumper showing nervousness, almost fear, when corrected - and changes approach to re-engage him through play instead of correcting more.
On film
All righty. I am here with Thumper. Thumper, come on. Let's go. He was showing signs of
nervousness, almost even scared when I correct him. Thumper, this way. So what we're going to do
Zeus (March 2026)
In the first in-program lesson Connor tells the family he will not drill the dog by shouting commands at him, because that is how you shut a dog down.
On film
commands at them like that because that's how you shut a dog down but like right here hopefully
Why it works
The mechanism the trainers give has two parts and both are stated. The first is about what a shut-down dog can no longer do: the brain stops being available for commands, so every repetition after that point teaches nothing - just enough for his brain in terms of doing commands, he is just kind of in survival mode (watch, 17:17). Continuing past it is not slow progress, it is no progress. The second is about what it costs afterwards, and it is stated as a cost to the handler as well as to the dog: it makes my job so much worse and makes it more miserable for him (watch, 06:02), and the specific damage named is a negative association attaching to the command or the place (watch, 17:46). Luna's file gives the clearest version of that: her tail is low, so wind down, because she thinks out here means a bad experience every time (watch, 10:48). There is a third mechanism which is really an argument about durability, and it is the one that would matter most to a paying household. A dog who has been repressed into a behaviour has not learned it. The obedience is being held in place by the pressure, so when the pressure lifts - a week or two after she comes home - the training goes with it (watch, 07:46). What is inferred rather than said: nobody supplies a prospective threshold. Every description of the upper bound is behavioural and retrospective - he is shut down, that was a little too much, her tail is low, his brain's a little out of it - and the one attempt at a target zone is a feeling rather than a sign: close to threshold, not shut down, more like whoa, that was a lot (watch, 26:54). A mistaken correction on a nervous herding dog does not just stop the moment: she generalises it ('maybe I shouldn't be interested anymore') and weeks of exposure work are lost (Whiskey, watch 18:35). And punishing a small mistake and hauling the dog back can make her brace and resist, which then needs far more pressure, whereas a clearer mistake is fixed 'without becoming suppressed' (Kali, watch 17:05, 18:01). The day-one rule (Muna watch 07:51; Tesla watch 07:13) is the same reasoning applied before any pressure exists: build play and confidence first so the obedience has something to rest on.
Where the trainers differ
How much stress is the right amount.
One view
Stop early. Force costs more than the repetition is worth, it makes the next sessions harder, and a repetition that is going nowhere should be abandoned and revisited another day.
On film
we're not going to force him to try and do things if it is just going to shut him down i don't want him to shut him down because that's just going to make it my job so much worse and make it more miserable for him
she needs some extra time in between you'll see like in some of our videos inside when when she was more nervous inside before I there's like 10-15 minutes in between some of the reps and that's because like I would rather get fewer reps done but have her in a good emotional stage time then try to like push through. Pushing through doesn't always do much much good.
you don't want to add pressure of any type of obedience too early because then you can accidentally shut the dog down
you do that to a nervous shepherd or any type of herding dog they go they freeze up and they're like shut down and they're like why why you told me this whole time you want me to go explore and sniff and now all of a sudden and you corrected me because I like got interested right right so maybe I shouldn't be interested anymore right and then you go back two weeks of everything that just happened
Another view
Some panting is the price of teaching. A trainer who never makes a dog pant is not teaching, and a nervous dog under stress is not psychologically different from a confident one - she just shows it differently.
On film
the important thing is would you you rather have a nervous dog that pants for a little bit right you get some you're gonna get a little bit of panting through the learning process or you never make the dog pant but the dog never really learns
Well, the other thing too is like just knowing how to push, but like push to where it's like, if there's like a threshold, if you get like near where they're like close, but they're not like, they don't shut down, right? They're just like, oh, that was a lot, right?
How to read it
These are the two ends of one range rather than two camps, and both are held by handlers in the same house. What seems to reconcile them is whether the dog is still trying: a dog who is unsure and experimenting is working, a dog who has stopped participating is not. Not resolved.
Whether conflict with the dog is productive or something to refuse.
One view
It is where the progress happens.
On film
well that was a really good session with dulce i well maybe not the most everything went well type one we did have a lot of healthy conflict
Another view
Decline it.
On film
a lot of fight man don't do that I don't want I don't want to fight you good job
Um, so I don't really have to manufacture situations to stamp authority. It's not unnecessary with him. So if I know he likes down better, I just put him to down.
How to read it
Not addressed by anyone on camera. 'Healthy' is doing a lot of work in the first position and is never defined. The likely reconciliation is that conflict is accepted when the dog brings it and never manufactured to prove a point, which is what King's file says about authority; nobody puts those two sentences together.
Common owner mistakes
- Doing more repetitions to fix a repetition that is going badly. Too many reps will shut a dog down all by themselves.
On film
But you do too many reps and you'll shut a dog down.
Dutchess · Watch at 7:07 ↗ now i think that actually i think i worked slightly too hard it'll be fine but i might maybe wait a little bit longer between because right now he's showing very light signs of just a little bit of like a drilling commands too fast so his brain's a little just a little out of it
Deuce · Watch at 15:10 ↗ - Reading a panting dog with her tongue out as a smiling happy dog.
On film
oh look she's smiling that's a sign of anxiety so with the tail like that
Lola · Watch at 25:14 ↗ - Taking a compliant, quiet, easy dog as proof that the training worked, when what has happened is that the dog has been squashed - and losing the training a week or two later when the pressure lifts.
On film
there's a term called velcro dog you ever heard of it it's where like they take a nervous dog or a dog that doesn't listen well and they use the e-collar and like reinforcement so much so the dog's scared to leave the side and so for the rest of his life it just follows the owner around like this and because they repressed the dog like so hard the dog has no soul anymore not a fan of that
Lola · Watch at 10:14 ↗ - Correcting and then staying cross afterwards, so the residual mood does the damage the correction did not.
On film
the other thing is like correcting her but after you do it make sure it's really fun and it's really like there's no like residual like i hate you energy going on um because with her pressure could shut her down really fast
Lola · Watch at 9:29 ↗ - Working the dog when the conditions are against him - in the sun, when he is already tired, or when his state is simply not there that day.
On film
I don't want to work him in the sun though. That just feels cruel.
Deuce · Watch at 14:57 ↗ to push it when when there's not anything there for him at that moment it's just a bad idea to
Bullet · Watch at 3:14 ↗ - Pushing for one more repetition after the lesson has already landed, instead of ending on it.
On film
I think that that was plenty for him to, like, learn that lesson, I'm not going to push it and try to go for another set
Zeus · Watch at 15:39 ↗ the good thing is you don't need your session to be forever if you accomplish something
Deuce · Watch at 16:30 ↗ - Correcting a nervous dog for being curious, rather than only for not coming back when called.
On film
And so there, it's like, I'm not going to correct that because I could shut her down accidentally, right?
Whiskey · Watch at 17:51 ↗ you do that to a nervous shepherd or any type of herding dog they go they freeze up and they're like shut down and they're like why why you told me this whole time you want me to go explore and sniff and now all of a sudden and you corrected me because I like got interested right right so maybe I shouldn't be interested anymore right and then you go back two weeks of everything that just happened
Whiskey · Watch at 18:35 ↗ - Punishing a small heel drift and hauling the dog back into position, so she braces and needs more pressure.
On film
is to just make it really like ultra clear right because if you just if you just punish it right there and then try to pull them back into position um what can happen is you can make it worse right so they can brace or resist and then you're going to end up having to use way more pressure
Kali · Watch at 17:05 ↗ - Pressing the collar again on a dog who has just locked up.
On film
if i hit the button like once and i hate i see her do like a thing and she's like still there i'm like okay she's locked up so we'll like move on for like a couple seconds and then i'll go back and do a sit
Stormi · Watch at 10:04 ↗
Questions owners ask
How do I know the difference between a dog who's struggling and a dog who's shut down?
Look at whether the dog is still participating. A struggling dog is still offering things: trying, sniffing, moving, recovering between repetitions. A shut-down dog has stopped: panting, locked up, 'just kind of in survival mode', no longer able to do commands he knows (Finn). The trainers also warn that one sign can mislead: Finn's pupils are always dilated, so they tell his trainer nothing. Record the whole sequence against the dog's own normal and ask the trainer how it changes the next step.
On film
so when working with dogs sometimes you gotta gauge the level today i tried to gauge the level and actually i i gauged it too high so he's a little shut down right now
he's kind of locked in a little bit he's panting so and eyes his eyes are always dilated i can never tell when he's actually nervous because the pupils stay dilated all the time because he's just scared all the time
Isn't any stress bad? Shouldn't I stop the moment he looks uncomfortable?
The trainers say no, and one of them argues the point directly at the gentler end. Would you rather have a dog who pants a bit through the learning process, or a dog you never make pant who never actually learns? The same session removes a comfortable illusion: a nervous dog under stress is not going through something different from a confident one, she just shows it more visibly - and the tongue hanging out that people read as a smile is a sign of anxiety, not of enjoyment. What is being defended is not discomfort for its own sake. It is that learning to cope with pressure is itself the skill a nervous dog is missing, and the sequence described is pressure, then relief, then resilience, then competence. The limit is the one everything else on this page is about: close to the edge, not over it.
On film
the important thing is would you you rather have a nervous dog that pants for a little bit right you get some you're gonna get a little bit of panting through the learning process or you never make the dog pant but the dog never really learns
do it successfully you feel relieved and then you gain resilience you start to feel more competent you know what to do and knowing what to do is huge right so
What do I actually do when it happens?
Stop asking, and then do one of a handful of things the trainers do on camera. Give him free time - let him do whatever he wants for a few minutes, or longer; one trainer describes leaving ten or fifteen minutes between repetitions with a nervous dog, on purpose. Space the repetitions further apart rather than doing more of them. Make the next ask small enough that he can win it. Move him out of the heat, or simply walk for a while. Or end it: the session does not need to last forever if you accomplished something, and if he keeps resisting you come back to it another time. What none of them do is escalate to get the repetition finished. If one correction brings a lock-up, move on for a few seconds and then ask again rather than pressing a second time (Stormi's trainer to her owner).
On film
she needs some extra time in between you'll see like in some of our videos inside when when she was more nervous inside before I there's like 10-15 minutes in between some of the reps and that's because like I would rather get fewer reps done but have her in a good emotional stage time then try to like push through. Pushing through doesn't always do much much good.
so if he continues to resist and is just not going to cooperate we'll come back to it at another time
if i hit the button like once and i hate i see her do like a thing and she's like still there i'm like okay she's locked up so we'll like move on for like a couple seconds and then i'll go back and do a sit
My dog came back from training very obedient and very quiet. Is that good?
A dog can be repressed into behaviour: she does stay when you tell her to, and she has lost her personality along with it. Two reasons are given for treating that as a failure. The first is that it is not what anybody sent a dog away for. The second is practical and it is the one to watch for: a week or two after she comes home the repression wears off, and when it goes the training goes with it. The same warning is given a name in another lesson - the velcro dog, produced by so much collar and reinforcement that the dog will not leave your side ever again. If your dog has come back quieter, flatter and less himself, that is the thing to ask about.
On film
a week or two after she comes home and the repression goes away what happens the training goes away
The big thing with a nervous dog is that it's very easy to make a nervous dog look opened up, when in reality you've repressed them and aren't managing it well. To get a nervous dog truly opened up, you have to not repress at all, because obviously repressing is a form of, you know, closing the dog up.
He's fighting me rather than shutting down. Is that different?
At the hardest repetition anywhere in these files, with the dog fighting hard, the handler says it out loud to her ('a lot of fight man don't do that I don't want I don't want to fight you') and then finishes the repetition without escalating, and praises her. That is declining the contest rather than winning it. Elsewhere a handler calls a session with 'a lot of healthy conflict' a really good one. What is stated clearly is the limit at the other end: if the dog has no authority problem, do not invent a confrontation to prove one.
On film
a lot of fight man don't do that I don't want I don't want to fight you good job
Um, so I don't really have to manufacture situations to stamp authority. It's not unnecessary with him. So if I know he likes down better, I just put him to down.
well that was a really good session with dulce i well maybe not the most everything went well type one we did have a lot of healthy conflict
If I keep stopping, will he ever learn anything?
The trainers' position is that stopping is how he learns anything, because repetitions run past the point of shutdown teach nothing and cost the next session as well. The arithmetic is stated: fewer repetitions with the dog in a good emotional state each time beats pushing through, and pushing through does not do much good. A session does not have to be long if something was accomplished, and one trainer stops the moment a lesson lands rather than running another set to be sure. Two of these dogs took longer in the programme as a direct result, and in one case the family were told so, and told the dog was on schedule rather than behind.
On film
the good thing is you don't need your session to be forever if you accomplish something
I think that that was plenty for him to, like, learn that lesson, I'm not going to push it and try to go for another set
so sometimes it does take a little bit longer in the program than we'd like it to but i would rather her just learn the impulse control be very comfortable with it as opposed to like traumatizing or repressing her into the to the impulse control
Why won't the trainer start obedience on the first day?
On the two day-one introductions filmed in this update, the trainer spends the first days on play only. Obedience pressure added before the dog is confident and enjoying the game can 'accidentally shut the dog down', so he waits until the game is solid and lets the dog show when she is ready.
On film
you don't want to add pressure of any type of obedience too early because then you can accidentally shut the dog down
I want to make sure she's really comfortable and really involved with the game stuff before we layer anything else in. And that's like our protocol with all cases, and every dog's different, so we have to figure that out as they show us new things.
we kind of let the dog show us when they're ready for those things again so we don't accidentally suppress anything right it's really easy to do that if you if you're not paying attention to what the dog really wants to do
The lesson
The goal
The handler can tell a dog who is struggling from a dog who has stopped participating, can say which of the standard responses he is choosing and why, and can end a session on a success without feeling he has failed.
Learn first
See it done
- The failure case, filmed and named by the handler who caused it. Watch at 17:17 ↗
- A session aborted on camera, with the reasoning and the alternative plan. Watch at 2:33 ↗
- The other end of the range - the stress budget, and the tongue that is not a smile. Watch at 25:14 ↗
- A fight named and declined mid-repetition, and the rep finished anyway. Watch at 9:42 ↗
The drill
Run a normal session with somebody else watching the dog rather than the handler. Every ninety seconds the watcher says one word out loud: trying, or stopped. The handler does not argue with it. On the first 'stopped', the session changes immediately, and the handler says which response he is choosing before he does it - free time, a longer gap, a smaller ask, play, or end it. Then keep going only if the watcher says 'trying' again. Afterwards, count: how many repetitions happened after the first 'stopped', and what did any of them teach. Separately, on a good day, deliberately end the session the moment something lands, and note how hard that is to do. (Finn watch and watch; Dolce watch; Sage watch; Zeus watch.)
Watch out for
- Adding repetitions to fix a bad repetition.
- Reading panting and a lolling tongue as happiness.
- Carrying a mood after the correction, so the residual energy does the damage.
- Working through heat, tiredness or a bad day because the session was scheduled.
- Taking compliance as proof, when the dog has been squashed rather than taught.
- Running one more set after the lesson has already landed.
Check yourself
Your dog is panting, has stopped offering anything, and drops flat the instant you say 'down'. He is doing exactly what you asked. Is the session going well? (No. Compliance from a dog who has stopped participating is suppression, not learning - and it will not survive the pressure coming off.)
