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Nerves and fear · Freeze, flee or fight

Why does my dog freeze, and why won't he listen when he's scared?

A frightened dog is not being disobedient: pushed hard enough, any dog freezes, flees or fights, and in panic he cannot choose - so the trainers work out which kind of freeze they are looking at and lower the fear before asking for more.

The answer

The trainers start from a rule: "any dog if you push them hard enough we'll do one of three things they'll either freeze they'll flee or they'll fight" (Kelton, at Sage's go-home). Which one a dog reaches for first is a property of the dog, and they predict it: Sage freezes first and hides if she can. In panic, Kelton says of Finn, the dog "has an inability to process the inputs and produce an output that makes any sense" - he will do everything fine until he panics, and then he freezes and won't sit, won't down, won't do anything. Ozzy's trainer says the same about bolting: "it's not like an impulse I don't want to listen thing" - he hits his threshold and he is out. Luna's trainer adds that no amount of e-collar will override a flight impulse once it is strong enough.

So the first job is to lower where the dog lives relative to that threshold. Two Ozzy sessions say it with the same picture: nervous dogs sit pretty close to their threshold, and the goal is how low you can get it, so ordinary pressure no longer tips them over. Max's case shows what happens next: his first response to obligation was panic, and once he was shown what to do instead - "once I showed him hey do this instead, he actually coped with pressure really well" - later hesitation was read as confusion and answered with clarity. Stormy's trainer gives the same order as a rule: if a dog doesn't know why the pressure is happening or how to escape it, 'that just sends them into a panic', so the way out is taught first with less pressure (watch 14:21).

The second job is to tell the freezes apart, because they need opposite answers. Sage's freeze is read as uncertainty: she knows what to do and gets unsure whether everything is cool, so going harder is the wrong route - encourage, and she does it. Finn's freeze in the training yard is read the other way: he is capable of coping and has learned that freezing gets him out of things, so the freeze itself is what gets worked - pressure closes it off as an option and ends the instant he acts; "when pressure hits don't panic ... think first". King's coaching session names the two questions behind the choice: what is the dog's emotional state, and how clear was it to him - and never default to more pressure.

Said on film: all of the above.

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What to do

When your frightened dog stops listening, stop treating it as disobedience. First ask how scared he is: if he is at his limit, more pressure will not get through - lower the stress and make the ask easier. Then ask what the freeze is: if he knows the cue and is just unsure, encourage him through; if freezing has become his way out of things, the trainer may work the freeze itself - that is a trainer's call, not a home experiment. Either way, make the way out obvious: show him what turns the pressure off.

What the trainers say

any dog if you push them hard enough we'll do one of three things they'll either freeze they'll flee or they'll fight

Kelton, at Sage's go-home lesson · Sage · Watch at 26:31 ↗

just encourage and then she'll do it is what I've found. Because she knows what to do.

Kelton · Sage · Watch at 41:51 ↗

example, like if she hasn't done it yet, going harder,

Sage's trainer, to the family · Sage · Watch at 13:43 ↗

So like a core concept as an example is how a dog responds to pressure in a command bleeds over into how they respond to pressure overall.

Sage's trainer at the first owner lesson · Sage · Watch at 7:45 ↗

So he's panicking and then has an inability to process the inputs and produce an output that makes any sense.

Kelton, on a long-line session · Finn · Watch at 24:23 ↗

that because of that panic, because of that panic it produces the inability to

Kelton · Finn · Watch at 24:39 ↗

implied stay where it's just the release command okay but he will do that all of

Finn's lead trainer at the first in-program lesson · Finn · Watch at 12:33 ↗

he's totally capable of coping with the problem he's just being allowed to to freeze up and that's dictating um whether he's going to do things or not and so he's learned he could just get out of it if he just goes and just freezes up like that so i'm just not allowing that

Finn's trainer in the training yard; unnamed · Finn · Watch at 7:35 ↗

the concept is that when pressure hits don't panic right do a thing that like do like something like think first

Finn's lead trainer · Finn · Watch at 23:45 ↗

like an impulse I don't want to listen thing it's like I just like you know hit

Connor or Claudia - Ozzy's trainer at the check-in (Connor, by inference); not separable here) · Ozzy · Watch at 13:51 ↗

spot in that threshold so right now obviously he's sitting up there like he's pretty close

Connor or Claudia - Ozzy's living-room handler; not separable here) · Ozzy · Watch at 5:23 ↗

and so same thing with the nervous dogs they have a threshold unfortunately they sit pretty close to

Connor or Claudia - Ozzy's handler in a second session; not separable here) · Ozzy · Watch at 11:29 ↗

But what I learned is that once I showed him hey do this instead, he actually coped with

Max's trainer; unnamed · Max (Goldendoodle) · Watch at 19:05 ↗

that there needs to be like a small clarification because he's kind of like looking for what to do

Max's trainer · Max (Goldendoodle) · Watch at 14:41 ↗

happens it doesn't matter if you have somebody yelling at you if you feel like

Connor - Luna's trainer; unnamed · Luna · Watch at 29:07 ↗

Which you gotta learn even in that window.

Connor - Luna's trainer · Luna · Watch at 29:57 ↗

cuz if a dog doesn't know what to do the adrenaline hits they panic. They're not in there anymore. It's just like a dog running off instinct being like I'm out of here

Connor - trainer at Lola's go-home lesson · Lola · Watch at 1:08 ↗

the reason that that repetition was so much worse than the one prior isn't because he forgot how to heal right isn't because he forgot the like progress he's made on the heel even though we haven't done it that much right it's because those dogs barked at him

Kelton - Kodak's trainer · Kodak · Watch at 31:26 ↗

There's normally an emotional component, so like what's the dog's emotional state, and then there is a clarity response. So how clear was it to them, and what's their emotional state like?

trainer coaching a junior handler with King · King · Watch at 2:27 ↗

never default to like, okay I'm gonna put more pressure, default to be like, alright I'm gonna suspect a play with this dog

same trainer · King · Watch at 3:59 ↗

it's happening and they don't know how to escape it that just sends them into a panic right so you teach them okay with a little bit less pressure over this

the trainer · Stormy · Watch at 14:21 ↗

How it looks, dog by dog

Sage

The case where freeze-flee-fight is the thesis and the freeze is read as uncertainty. Kelton states the rule at the go-home; Sage freezes first and would flee before she fought. The trainers say how a dog handles pressure inside a command bleeds over into how it handles pressure everywhere, so her obedience is a route to changing that response. Her freeze on a known cue is uncertainty about the handler's motive - is everything cool? - and the family is told that going harder may be the wrong route; if she freezes, encourage, and she'll do it. A generic approach, the trainer says, would be counterproductive for her.

On film

any dog if you push them hard enough we'll do one of three things they'll either freeze they'll flee or they'll fight

Watch at 26:31 ↗

So like a core concept as an example is how a dog responds to pressure in a command bleeds over into how they respond to pressure overall.

Watch at 7:45 ↗

some things that are specific to Sage that like if I just gave you like the

Watch at 13:33 ↗

just encourage and then she'll do it is what I've found. Because she knows what to do.

Watch at 41:51 ↗

Finn

Two readings of one dog. In panic, Kelton says, Finn cannot process inputs or choose a good option - which is why he will not let him practise the panic without a consequence that makes it clear what to do. In the training yard a trainer reads the freeze as a learned exit: he knows sit, he is capable of coping, and freezing has been getting him out of things - so the freeze itself is worked, with pressure closing the option and ending the moment he acts. Finn is highly context-specific: a different dog in the park, locked up in the yard - which is why the work is done where he freezes.

On film

So he's panicking and then has an inability to process the inputs and produce an output that makes any sense.

Watch at 24:23 ↗

choose a good option. So that's why I can't let him practice the panic without some

Watch at 24:43 ↗

he's totally capable of coping with the problem he's just being allowed to to freeze up and that's dictating um whether he's going to do things or not and so he's learned he could just get out of it if he just goes and just freezes up like that so i'm just not allowing that

Watch at 7:35 ↗

because he knows sit he can do it like this no problem he can do it lots of times he understands the word he understands the command and he's freezing up

Watch at 12:23 ↗

Ozzy

The threshold picture. Two handlers independently describe it with their hands: a nervous dog's resting stress sits just under the point where he panics, so any correction tips him over; the work before obedience is to lower where he sits, so the same pressure later stays under the line - which is why his heel waits. Bolting is read as threshold, not defiance: when his nerves kick up he is out.

On film

spot in that threshold so right now obviously he's sitting up there like he's pretty close

Watch at 5:23 ↗

and so same thing with the nervous dogs they have a threshold unfortunately they sit pretty close to

Watch at 11:29 ↗

like an impulse I don't want to listen thing it's like I just like you know hit

Watch at 13:51 ↗

Max (Goldendoodle)

The clean chain. Max's first response to obligation was panic. Once the trainer showed him what to do instead - go into the down and stay, and the pressure goes away - he coped with pressure really well. Later hesitation is read as looking for what to do, and answered with a small clarification rather than more pressure.

On film

But what I learned is that once I showed him hey do this instead, he actually coped with

Watch at 19:05 ↗

that there needs to be like a small clarification because he's kind of like looking for what to do

Watch at 14:41 ↗

Dolce

A three-way discrimination made live while coaching a second handler: not shut down (she is active), not panicking, still trying things - so the answer is a smaller, clearer ask, not more pressure.

On film

but do like put a little bit like what I did

Watch at 10:02 ↗

Luna, Lola, Kodak, King

Luna: a strong enough flight impulse is not overridden by any amount of e-collar; the level rises because her nerves are higher, and the lesson is not to lock up even in that window. Lola: when a dog does not know what to do, adrenaline hits and 'they're not in there anymore'. Kodak: a worse repetition is blamed on barking dogs, not forgetting. King: ask about emotional state and clarity, and never default to more pressure.

On film

Which you gotta learn even in that window.

Watch at 29:57 ↗

cuz if a dog doesn't know what to do the adrenaline hits they panic.

Watch at 1:08 ↗

There's normally an emotional component, so like what's the dog's emotional state, and then there is a clarity response.

Watch at 2:27 ↗

Hattie

The freeze that comes before a bolt, described in a Hattie clip: a dog who has never been far from her person realises she got away, stands there 'deer in the headlights', and then takes off. The trainer's answer is not more control but experience of distance, so the moment is not new when it comes.

On film

not just like standing there doing that deer in the headlights thing like, oh my gosh,

Watch at 0:17 ↗

And then they take off.

Watch at 0:23 ↗

The only cure for that is experience.

Watch at 0:27 ↗

Louie

The fight end of the rule, in the words of the man taking Louie on, speaking Spanish: the dog doesn't like being cornered ('el perro no le gusta que lo acorralen'), and he only bites when he is afraid ('solo muerde cuando tiene miedo'). An English line a moment later puts it as pressure when he can't get away. A non-trainer's reading; Louie's bite history is as the family describe it.

On film

el perro no le gusta que lo acorralen así que en él porque después de los

Watch at 24:07 ↗

es que esto solo muerde cuando tiene miedo yo de ver este perro yo digo ese

Watch at 24:27 ↗

but it's more like when there's pressure on him because if he can't get away but

Watch at 24:57 ↗

Stormy

At a Stormy lesson the trainer explains the order of the work: first teach, with little pressure, how the dog can escape it, because pressure that a dog doesn't understand and can't escape 'just sends them into a panic'. Only once she knows the way out does the grace shrink and the pressure rise.

On film

doesn't even know how she can escape it that's a problem if they don't know why

Watch at 14:16 ↗

it's happening and they don't know how to escape it that just sends them into a

Watch at 14:21 ↗

panic right so you teach them okay with a little bit less pressure over this

Watch at 14:25 ↗

Why it works

Stated: under enough pressure every dog freezes, flees or fights (watch 26:31). In panic, the dog cannot process inputs or choose (watch 24:23); bolting at threshold is not wilful (watch 13:51). Nervous dogs live close to threshold, so lowering the resting level is the first work (watch 05:23; watch 11:29). Pressure with a clear way out produces coping; without one, panic (watch 19:05). How a dog handles pressure in a command transfers to how it handles pressure in general (watch 07:45). A freeze that has been paying off becomes a learned exit and is worked directly (watch 07:35); a freeze of uncertainty is met with encouragement (watch 13:43). Inferred: the observable that tells the two freezes apart is not given; the trainers know their own dogs.

Where the trainers differ

Is the freeze a learned exit to close, or uncertainty to encourage through?

One view

A learned exit: take the option away, then show the way out.

On film

he's totally capable of coping with the problem he's just being allowed to to freeze up and that's dictating um whether he's going to do things or not and so he's learned he could just get out of it if he just goes and just freezes up like that so i'm just not allowing that

Finn · Watch at 7:35 ↗

Another view

Uncertainty: encourage, do not escalate.

On film

just encourage and then she'll do it is what I've found. Because she knows what to do.

Sage · Watch at 41:51 ↗

Common owner mistakes

  • Treating a frightened dog's refusal as disobedience.
    On film

    like an impulse I don't want to listen thing it's like I just like you know hit

    Ozzy · Watch at 13:51 ↗
  • Going harder when the dog is merely unsure.
    On film

    example, like if she hasn't done it yet, going harder,

    Sage · Watch at 13:43 ↗
  • Adding pressure before the dog has been shown the way out.
    On film

    But what I learned is that once I showed him hey do this instead, he actually coped with

    Max (Goldendoodle) · Watch at 19:05 ↗
  • Assuming a repetition failed because the dog forgot, when the environment changed.
    On film

    the reason that that repetition was so much worse than the one prior isn't because he forgot how to heal right

    Kodak · Watch at 31:26 ↗

Questions owners ask

Why does my dog freeze when I ask him to do something he knows?

The trainers give two different readings. For Sage, it is uncertainty - she knows what to do and is unsure whether everything is cool - so encourage her through. For Finn, freezing had become a way out of things, so the trainer worked the freeze itself. Which applies to your dog is a question for the trainer.

On film

just encourage and then she'll do it is what I've found. Because she knows what to do.

Sage · Watch at 41:51 ↗

he's totally capable of coping with the problem he's just being allowed to to freeze up and that's dictating um whether he's going to do things or not and so he's learned he could just get out of it if he just goes and just freezes up like that so i'm just not allowing that

Finn · Watch at 7:35 ↗

Why won't he listen when he's scared?

Because in panic he can't. Kelton: Finn panics and then cannot process the inputs or produce an output that makes sense. Ozzy's trainer: bolting is not 'I don't want to listen', it is hitting the threshold.

On film

So he's panicking and then has an inability to process the inputs and produce an output that makes any sense.

Finn · Watch at 24:23 ↗

like an impulse I don't want to listen thing it's like I just like you know hit

Ozzy · Watch at 13:51 ↗

So should I never put pressure on a nervous dog?

Not what the trainers say. They lower the dog's resting stress first, and then use pressure with a clear way out - Max coped with pressure well once he was shown what to do instead.

On film

and so same thing with the nervous dogs they have a threshold unfortunately they sit pretty close to

Ozzy · Watch at 11:29 ↗

But what I learned is that once I showed him hey do this instead, he actually coped with

Max (Goldendoodle) · Watch at 19:05 ↗

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