Field Notes · An evolving learning library from Angier K9
ANGIERK9FIELD NOTES
Explore Angier K9

Markers, words and criteria · There is no stay, only the release

Do I need to teach my dog to stay?

No: in this program every command holds until the release word, so you give the command once and never say stay.

The answer

Not as a separate command. Across about forty dogs and every trainer on film the rule is the same: a position carries its own duration until the release word, so the dog told to sit is still sitting until he hears okay (or 'break', in some programs). 'You don't have to say stay ever. I don't know if you noticed that, but we don't use stay.' Trainers call it the implied stay, and it covers moving commands too - 'even if it's a moving command, like a yield, they stay in it until you say, okay'. One trainer's image is a window: the command opens it, 'you don't say it again because the window's open', and okay closes it.

The reasons given are practical. Owners who use a stay command end up saying it over and over - 'stay, stay, stay, stay' - until the dog cannot tell which repetition is binding. Two trainers go further: repeating stay teaches the dog that the position is temporary rather than something that lasts. The trainers also say why the held position matters to a family: it is what lets them take the dog out among people and other dogs and know he will keep the position until released.

What replaces stay is enforcement of the release. If the dog gets up before the word, he is marked ('nope' or 'eh') and put back in the same spot and the same position (the house position, settled by Kelton on 23 Sep 2026), because letting him settle wherever he ends up teaches him the position can move. The command is not repeated as a reminder. For a long hold two go-home trainers choose the down over the sit - Drago's ('i recommend a down') and Samson's, who says it is 'much more comfortable for them to lay down'. And the release has to be the only thing that ends it: trainers proof the hold against their own movement, excitement, shopping, walking away and other people walking past, and they tell families to watch what else they say, because praise can turn into a release by accident.

The 30 Sep footage repeats the rule to three more families and adds one trainer's history with it. Pepper's trainer tells the owner he used to teach 'sit' and then 'stay', walking away and correcting a break; he dropped the word 'a couple years ago' and kept everything else the same, because fewer words are easier for an everyday owner to keep up - 'the more words i have to have you say ... the more likely a mistake is going to happen'. Reaper's owners are told 'you don't have to ever use stay again': the position is implied until 'okay', and the freedom that follows is the reward. Mazi's trainer shows it at the first lesson ('I can walk away he has to stay in the command until I release') and checks it in the house at the second. On film it holds at a distance: Kali, off leash, is told 'down' once and stays down while the trainer walks the length of a field to the bleachers without looking back, then is released and called.

Inferred, not stated on film: that this is simpler for owners than a stay command is the trainers' claim, not something the record measures.

Angier K9 is a family-owned, play-based Board & Train serving Angier, Raleigh and the Triangle, with three full owner lessons.

What to do

Give the command once and do not say stay. The dog holds the position until you say the release word. If he gets up first, mark it and put him back in the same spot without repeating the command. Say okay before you move on or give another command, and watch that praise or your own excitement does not end the hold instead.

What the trainers say

You don't have to say stay ever. I don't know if you noticed that, but we don't use stay.

the trainer, at the go-home lesson · Bo · Watch at 28:01 ↗

It's an implied stay. So he knows that he's supposed to keep doing whatever it is you asked him to do until you give him the release word.

the trainer · Bo · Watch at 28:04 ↗

So it eliminates a very annoying problem, which is having to say stay a thousand times because people say, stay, stay, stay, stay, stay. And it's very confusing to the dog actually most of the time because they hear stay a hundred times and they're like, so how many times do they have to say stay for me to know that I have to keep staying right um so we just eliminate that

the trainer · Bo · Watch at 28:10 ↗

that's the other thing you might have seen some of the videos is is the way that like stay works. We don't say stay, it's implied. So they stay in whatever command it is, even if it's a moving command, like a yield, they stay in it until you say, okay. And then they can, they're free.

Kelton - the trainer, at the first owner lesson · Roxy · Watch at 30:16 ↗

yeah cuz actually psychologically for the dog if you have to say the word over and over and say stay over and over it they learn that it's more of like a temporary thing

one of the two trainers present · Roxy · Watch at 31:27 ↗

It's a window so that you start the window by saying the command. You don't say it again because the window's open and when you say okay, you close the window.

Connor, at the second owner lesson · Titan · Watch at 43:02 ↗

So, we have an implied stay with all of our commands. So, the way it is is when I put him in a sit and like, you know, we're finished with the program and really pretty much anytime except now that he's around you um when I put him in that sit, he's going to stay there in position until I say okay and then he gets up, right? If I don't say okay then he stays in position.

the trainer, at the first owner lesson · Deuce · Watch at 11:08 ↗

so come and then his release word is okay. So anything that he's doing, you never have to say stay. for you to keep him close to you or ask him to do anything else, instead you just don't say the release word.

Kelton - the trainer, narrating · Zeus · Watch at 5:11 ↗

we don't use stay it's implied so if I sit down I don't have to say stay I just sit down and then he stays in the down until he hears the word okay and if he hears okay then he knows okay I can get up right and then I'm free

Kelton, at the first owner lesson · Zeus · Watch at 10:03 ↗

But anyways, you go into that position and I don't have to say a single thing because I haven't given you the command to break yet.

the trainer · Chunk · Watch at 6:41 ↗

no like stay because the way we train our dogs is that the sit just gets a stay like implied

Connor - the trainer, at a follow-up · Levi · Watch at 7:35 ↗

lied um if you're having to say it then something's kind of like there's a little bit of a problem

Connor - the trainer · Levi · Watch at 7:40 ↗

So a lot of this is for safety, so that when the obedience is completely done, and we put the dog in that position, or the pet parent puts the dog in that position, then we know that the dog is going to keep that position until they're released.

the trainer, at a store · Max · Watch at 8:11 ↗

you want to bring him right back to where he was. Or else you kind of teach him that like sit is a stationary thing. And then the whole implied stay that we teach, it's just void.

Connor · Titan · Watch at 21:18 ↗

train we train them to know once they're in a command that they have to wait for us to release them

the trainer, at an owner lesson · Neo · Watch at 1:19 ↗

all our sits are implied stays so i don't have to tell him to stay

Gemma - the trainer · Thumper · Watch at 4:47 ↗

stay command instead it's implied so if you have a release marker if i tell you to do something

the trainer, at the go-home lesson · Bernie · Watch at 20:59 ↗

should be like place and all that like all that's the same right it should be i don't say stay i say

the trainer at Pepper's second in-program owner lesson, Part 3 (not named on this audio) · Pepper · Watch at 4:59 ↗

um and it actually ends up making it in my opinion i switched to doing that a couple years ago

the trainer at Pepper's second in-program owner lesson, Part 3 (not named on this audio) · Pepper · Watch at 6:06 ↗

like reaper down he goes into it down then the release word you don't have to ever use stay again

Reaper · Watch at 22:30 ↗

and the same thing applies where like I can walk away he has to stay in the command until I release

the trainer at Mazi's first in-program owner lesson (not named on this audio) · Mazi · Watch at 5:29 ↗

lot better the other thing you might notice is I don't say stay yeah we don't use stay at all it's a redundant command and it's also annoying to say over and over again

the trainer, at Akira's in-person evaluation · Akira · Watch at 44:22 ↗

Notice he's staying in the sit because I have not given him the release command yet.

the trainer · Apollo (the Sharkie) · Watch at 18:10 ↗

and that's it good job dude my boy so stay you never have to utter the word

the trainer, at Astro's go-home lesson · Astro · Watch at 1:21:31 ↗

all the way, come on, down, down, so, big thing for Cosmo, is he's gotta learn that when he goes in the commands, it's the same rule as the sit, or anything else, it's like

Connor · Cosmo · Watch at 12:39 ↗

i recommend a down tell him to down on that thing and then he will stay until you give him the release command that's why we don't use the word stay

the trainer, at Drago's go-home lesson · Drago · Watch at 24:37 ↗

Yeah, do a Sit, Implied Stay, and then a Down, Implied Stay. And just, like, nice big release commands after each.

the trainer · Hattie · Watch at 0:05 ↗

I didn't even tell him to wait there, I just told him to wait down. I waited until I told him it was okay.

the trainer · Kane · Watch at 2:40 ↗

do a little implied stay with Murphy again Murphy sit good boy.

the trainer · Murphy · Watch at 0:10 ↗

And I'm not locking the Flexi. If he chooses to go, he'll go, but I'll stop him.

the trainer · Oscar · Watch at 0:16 ↗

thing we don't use stay okay so all stays are implied so that will actually make your life a little less annoying because i hate saying stay

the trainer, at Rocky's in-program lesson · Rocky · Watch at 45:46 ↗

right so say somebody else needs to come through there you don't want to have to put Samson up

Samson · Watch at 14:36 ↗

How it looks, dog by dog

Bo

Bo's go-home states the whole policy to the owner: no stay word at all, an implied stay until the release, and the reason given is an owner habit - people say stay a hundred times until the dog cannot tell which one counts. A break before the release gets 'nope', a send-off and a return to position. On a trail walk the trainer explains the same thing to a passer-by in one sentence.

On film

problem, which is having to say stay a thousand times because people say, stay, stay, stay, stay,

Watch at 28:14 ↗

right and if he gets up before the release word it's important that you do that you tell him

Watch at 28:45 ↗

come and sit and then like an implied stay so if I ask him to sit

Watch at 10:33 ↗

Roxy

At Roxy and Ramsey's first owner lesson the rule is extended to moving commands - heel and yield hold until okay just as sit does - and the window image appears. The trainers give the dinner-party picture of a stay-dependent dog and the psychological claim that repeating stay makes the position feel temporary, which is 'problematic for place if you say place and you want the dog to lay there for a while'.

On film

that's the other thing you might have seen some of the videos is is the way that like stay works. We don't say stay, it's implied.

Watch at 30:16 ↗

so it's better if like I think of it it's a window right so like you say the command they stay in the window and okay it's like

Watch at 30:48 ↗

Which is problematic for place if you say place and you want the dog to lay there for a while

Watch at 31:50 ↗

Titan

Titan's second owner lesson is titled for this concept ('One Cue, One Release'). Connor gives the window in full, tells the household to speak the same language to the dog, and gives the reason to take a dog back to his exact spot when he breaks: otherwise the dog learns a sit is momentary, and 'the whole implied stay that we teach, it's just void'. His one precision rule: if he says down, the dog cannot go into a sit.

On film

It's a window so that you start the window by saying the command. You don't say it again because the window's open and when you say okay, you close the window.

Watch at 43:02 ↗

you want to bring him right back to where he was. Or else you kind of teach him that like sit is a stationary thing.

Watch at 21:18 ↗

my only rule is that if i say down he can't go into a sit okay

Watch at 25:53 ↗

Luna

At the in-home lesson the trainer states the implied stay for every command and says that saying stay when a dog gets up makes her think of it as a stationary command. The same lesson shows why the release word must be guarded: the family's 'good girl' after 'down' makes Luna get up.

On film

so the stay is implied with every command so you don't so you don't say stay right you say the command and the dog like every dog i train holds the position until we give the release

Watch at 19:28 ↗

see like when I say down and then when I say good girl she just releases

Watch at 43:21 ↗

have is the implied stay. So, Luna knows that she's not supposed to get up until I release her.

Watch at 17:45 ↗

Zeus

Zeus's lessons put the rule to the owner as a simplification: you never say stay, you simply do not say the release word until you mean it. Kelton gives the identical explanation at the first owner lesson.

On film

so come and then his release word is okay. So anything that he's doing, you never have to say stay.

Watch at 5:11 ↗

we don't use stay it's implied so if I sit down I don't have to say stay

Watch at 10:03 ↗

Zeus (March 2026)

The March 2026 Zeus (a different dog) gets the same line at his owner lesson: an implied stay for all commands, and a command releases him.

On film

you i have him like uh i'll kind of show you how we do like we have an implied stay for all of our

Watch at 0:25 ↗

Dolce

The protection dog's implied stay is built in the smallest unit first - a couple of steps, a few seconds, 'break' - and only then extended. At the owner lesson it is described as an automatic stay until okay, after which she can do whatever she wants.

On film

starting a little implied stay, uh-uh, increase that impulse control first, uh-uh, so a couple steps, good, break, break, good

Watch at 2:33 ↗

once she goes to position, we want it to be just an automatic stay, right?

Watch at 13:14 ↗

Chunk

One of them is not picky about sit against down for the hold; the rule at the owner lesson is that he stays in the position until released, and a break gets a quiet 'eh'.

On film

day. Which I've explained to every other dog and I'll explain it to you too. Is that we have you

Watch at 6:19 ↗

of those two. I'm not particularly picky if you sit and go into a down. Some people are very

Watch at 6:34 ↗

Down, and so the rule is that he has to stay in the position until I release him.

Watch at 10:58 ↗

Levi

At a follow-up after the owner reported problems, the trainer tells her the main thing is not saying stay - and that if you are having to say it, something is wrong. At the next lesson he shows the hold by walking away, looking away and dancing around before releasing, and tells her to release first, then give the next command.

On film

lied um if you're having to say it then something's kind of like there's a little bit of a problem

Watch at 7:40 ↗

like i can walk away and just kind of do my thing look away dance around no okay good boy

Watch at 12:17 ↗

So you need to release him first and then give him.

Watch at 9:18 ↗

Apollo (the Bully)

Christian states it at the first owner lesson - 'everything's implied where it's like i don't have to say stay' - and at the go-home reminds the owners they no longer need to say it.

On film

spot until we release him good boy and then he can release so everything's implied where it's like i don't have to say stay

Watch at 11:17 ↗

Yeah, so it's all implied. Just say sit and then make sure he sits and then everything's implied for stay.

Watch at 2:16 ↗

Max

Max's store session supplies the reason for families: the held position is for safety, so that a dog put in a position in public keeps it until released rather than getting up to greet strangers or other dogs. The word means an action, and the action is not complete until the break or okay.

On film

so that they learn that hey when the person says that word that means this action and that action needs to stay that action and is not completed until they hear the break command or the okay

Watch at 7:12 ↗

So a lot of this is for safety, so that when the obedience is completely done, and we put the dog in that position, or the pet parent puts the dog in that position

Watch at 8:11 ↗

Bubba Gum

Bubba Gum's release is 'break', and the hold is protected by varying where she is released from so she listens for the word rather than anticipating a place or a movement.

On film

So this is her implied stay, and she does just fine on her implied stay.

Watch at 0:59 ↗

over here and sometimes it might be right next to her but when I change it

Watch at 20:47 ↗

Clark Kent

In a store the trainer proofs the sit by pretending to shop and ignoring the dog, so he cannot predict the release from the handler standing and looking at him. A sit that later becomes a down is accepted, but the first position must be the one asked for so sit and down do not blur.

On film

i am purposely ignoring clark kent i'm pretending to shop and just look around so that way he doesn't expect me to just stand at a distance looking at him and then say okay

Watch at 3:20 ↗

when he goes into the position originally i want him to try and get the sit right because we do also teach it down and i don't want to confuse those two things

Watch at 0:47 ↗

Pepper

Pepper's implied stay is tested by a second handler: Alec gives the command and the release while the trainer walks past, which the trainer takes as proof she knows the release. The same trainer says 'she's been good on her stay' in passing - the word is not wholly absent from speech even where the method has no stay cue. At the second owner lesson (30 Sep material) the trainer sets it out for the owner: if she refuses a down somewhere new, an 'uh-uh' and a leash pop or e-collar tap, and then she stays until released, and the release is exciting. He does not say stay; the command means stay. He used to teach the command and then 'stay', and switched a couple of years ago, because fewer words are easier for an everyday owner to keep up.

On film

Practice a little sit with the implied stay.

Watch at 3:52 ↗

she did good alec gave her the command gave her the release so she definitely

Watch at 9:03 ↗

She's been good on her stay, too.

Watch at 1:55 ↗

and then she should stay there just like she did like at the end of the

Watch at 4:41 ↗

should be like place and all that like all that's the same right it should be i don't say stay i say

Watch at 4:59 ↗

i used to do it where i did the command and stay um but it's the same principle so like when i was

Watch at 5:22 ↗

um and it actually ends up making it in my opinion i switched to doing that a couple years ago

Watch at 6:06 ↗

because in my opinion it's a lot easier to maintain it because i'm less words the easier

Watch at 6:12 ↗

Lunna

Lunna's implied stay is named in two sessions and shown to the owner. At a gate door the criterion is looser - she may lie down, as long as she stays in the area while the door opens and people walk through. At go-home the owner is told why she breaks at home and not in public: an excited owner.

On film

good that's a good sit good girl a very good implied stay

Watch at 7:52 ↗

after we put her in the sit as long as she stays in the same area that's fine

Watch at 16:06 ↗

But in this particular environment, excited with you, she's going to do it.

Watch at 3:09 ↗

Bernie

The family had listed stay among the words they wanted. At go-home the trainer explains there is no stay command - it is implied - and that the most important thing is to say okay first, before doing anything else.

On film

stay command instead it's implied so if you have a release marker if i tell you to do something

Watch at 20:59 ↗

the most important thing is that you say okay first before you do something else

Watch at 22:12 ↗

Dutchess

On a late session the trainer names the implied stay as what still needs work with her.

On film

only thing is her implied state, which I think I'm just going to have to use negative reinforcement to bring that out.

Watch at 1:20 ↗

Louie

On a park walk the handler narrates the convention - he told Louie to sit, so it is an implied stay - and that the dog no longer needs to see a treat to hold the position.

On film

there he wanted to kind of get up and check something out, but I told him to sit, so we're doing an implied stay.

Watch at 1:40 ↗

Marvin (Giant Schnauzer)

At go-home the trainer states the implied stay, and the owners try 'break' as the release because Marvin does better with it.

On film

And so the stay is implied.

Watch at 18:09 ↗

Yeah, okay, I think he's going to do better with break.

Watch at 16:34 ↗

Lucia

The word slips out of the handler and is withdrawn at once - a small sign of how firmly the house avoids it.

On film

Stay. Oh, we don't use that.

Watch at 1:34 ↗

Thumper

Stated as house rule in a how-to video: all sits are implied stays.

On film

supposed to sit and all our sits are implied stays so i don't have to tell him to stay he

Watch at 4:47 ↗

Neo

At an owner lesson: once in a command he waits to be released, so stay is not needed; a break gets 'eh', then the collar, and he goes back.

On film

train we train them to know once they're in a command that they have to wait for us to release

Watch at 1:19 ↗

doing good but he gets up before i release him well i want to reinforce that behavior of sitting

Watch at 14:26 ↗

Phoebe (the Rottweiler)

On a public outing the down's stay is implied and proofed at crosswalks.

On film

And then the stay in the down is implied.

Watch at 5:10 ↗

now i like to have him wait in a down stay at any kind of crosswalks

Watch at 11:09 ↗

Reaper

At Reaper's first owner lesson the trainer explains the release to freedom: ask for a position, and the release word ends it - 'you don't have to ever use stay again', because staying is implied until 'okay'. Then the reward is the freedom itself: 'go go go', and he can sniff and do what he likes.

On film

work with them on um so the release to freedom is essentially just if you ask them to do a thing

Watch at 22:19 ↗

like reaper down he goes into it down then the release word you don't have to ever use stay again

Watch at 22:30 ↗

in right because you can just use the implied whatever it is it's implied that they stay in it

Watch at 22:39 ↗

until you say okay okay good job and then reaper can get up and do whatever he wants right and then

Watch at 22:44 ↗

Mazi

At Mazi's first owner lesson the trainer demonstrates the implied stay with a down: he can walk away and Mazi has to stay in the command until released. At the second lesson, in the house, he notes that the implied stay 'seems pretty good in here' before moving on to the down, still being made fully verbal.

On film

and the same thing applies where like I can walk away he has to stay in the command until I release

Watch at 5:29 ↗

same principle for all that yeah okay good job mozzie yeah so he actually the implied stay seems

Watch at 8:53 ↗

Kali

Kali's recordings of one evening walk show the implied stay used without comment. She is put in a down and left there while the trainer finishes explaining something to camera; on the trail she is put in a down while he waits to see whether anyone else is coming; and in her first full off-leash session she is told 'down' once and holds it while he walks the length of a field to the bleachers, not looking back, until 'Okay' and the call. The word 'stay' is not used at any point.

On film

i'm gonna put her hand down at this thing callie down down i'm gonna leave her in the

Watch at 14:43 ↗

Sorry, the camera went back for nothing. They went the opposite direction. Callie, down.

Watch at 0:22 ↗

All right, I'm just gonna wait for you there for a second.

Watch at 0:30 ↗

i'm gonna walk pretty far away see how far i can walk i'm not looking at her so

Watch at 8:01 ↗

Okay.

Watch at 8:48 ↗

Akira

At Akira's evaluation the trainer points out that he never says stay: it is redundant and annoying to repeat, and he dropped it a year and a half or more ago. The release word does the job - until he says okay, she is still in the command.

On film

lot better the other thing you might notice is I don't say stay yeah we don't use stay at all it's a redundant command and it's also annoying to say over and over again

Watch at 44:22 ↗

years ago um instead it's implied so the release command takes care of that completely if i say okay

Watch at 44:57 ↗

Apollo (the Sharkie)

Apollo holds a sit while the trainer starts to walk away, 'because I have not given him the release command yet'; breaks get 'uh-uh' and 'nope'. Later the implied stay is listed among his steadily improving skills.

On film

Notice he's staying in the sit because I have not given him the release command yet.

Watch at 18:10 ↗

You can see his implied stay, his place,

Watch at 1:14 ↗

Astro

At go-home the trainer shows Astro waiting in a down for one thing only, the okay. The release marker 'makes a stay like redundant because you stay until you're released' - so stay is a word the family never has to say.

On film

okay so yeah he's waiting for the release marker so the release marker is nice because it it removes the it makes a stay like redundant because you stay until you're released from the command

Watch at 1:20:50 ↗

Callie

Setting out Callie's day-two plan, the trainer lists sit and down with their stays 'implied' - no separate stay command is planned.

On film

call and target that as well we're obviously going to also target sit stay down stays implied though

Watch at 2:12 ↗

Cosmo

Connor tells Cosmo's family that the down follows the same rule as the sit or any other command: it has the stay implied in it.

On film

all the way, come on, down, down, so, big thing for Cosmo, is he's gotta learn that when he goes in the commands, it's the same rule as the sit, or anything else, it's like

Watch at 12:39 ↗

Drago

At go-home the trainer teaches place this way: put Drago in a down on the cot - he recommends the down - and he stays until released, 'that's why we don't use the word stay'. A break before the release gets 'nope' and pressure until he is back in the position.

On film

i recommend a down tell him to down on that thing and then he will stay until you give him the release command that's why we don't use the word stay

Watch at 24:37 ↗

Hattie

Hattie's training is set as sit with an implied stay, down with an implied stay, and a big release after each. In a field, a break gets 'nope' and the trainer says 'that is the usefulness of an implied stay'.

On film

Yeah, do a Sit, Implied Stay, and then a Down, Implied Stay.

Watch at 0:05 ↗

a little implied stay nope that's it okay good girl that is the usefulness of an implied stay

Watch at 0:15 ↗

Kane

In a place session Kane holds a down without being told to wait: the trainer points out he only gave the down, and Kane waited until told it was okay.

On film

I didn't even tell him to wait there, I just told him to wait down.

Watch at 2:40 ↗

Murphy

On a group outing Short the handler runs 'a little implied stay with Murphy again': a sit with no separate stay word, a 'nope' and a re-sit, then 'Sit there you go. Good job'.

On film

do a little implied stay with Murphy again Murphy sit good boy.

Watch at 0:10 ↗

Oscar

Oscar's implied stay is proofed against all three Ds. With dogs approaching, the trainer asks for a sit and leaves the flexi unlocked - 'If he chooses to go, he'll go, but I'll stop him' - and in other outings adds distance and duration, with 'nope' and a return to the spot on a break.

On film

I'm just going to try an implied stay with this as a distraction.

Watch at 0:01 ↗

and do an implied stay hey oscar sit do a little bit more duration a little bit more distance this

Watch at 6:21 ↗

Peque (PK)

Peque's session plan is the down and its duration, which the trainer notes 'should be implied' - no stay cue.

On film

as she needs it to be but today we're gonna work on down and stay duration

Watch at 0:40 ↗

Rocky

At Rocky's in-program lesson the trainer tells the owner 'we don't use stay... all stays are implied', which he says makes life less annoying than repeating stay. In a recall session Rocky's implied stay in the sit is tested and holds.

On film

thing we don't use stay okay so all stays are implied so that will actually make your life a little less annoying because i hate saying stay

Watch at 45:46 ↗

implied stay in the sit hasn't broke it yet

Watch at 14:13 ↗

Samson

At go-home Samson's family are told to use the down when they need him stationary - it is more comfortable for a dog than holding a sit - and not to say stay. If he gets up, he is put back in that spot, because letting it go teaches him the down is optional, and 'okay' ends it (much of the passage is uncertain audio).

On film

it's much more comfortable for them to lay down so I normally use down you put him in the down

Watch at 13:55 ↗

down, and then you don't have to say stay. If he gets up, you go, eh, eh.

Watch at 14:03 ↗uncertain audio

Why it works

The stated mechanism is about what repetition teaches. A command given once and held until release teaches the dog the position lasts; a stay repeated over and over teaches that the position is temporary and that the binding instruction is whichever repetition came last (watch 31:27; watch 28:10). The safety argument is separate: a held position is what lets a family use the dog in public (watch 08:11). Inferred, not stated: none of this is compared on film with a dog trained to a stay cue, and the 'temporary' claim is the trainers' explanation, not a measured effect.

On film

yeah cuz actually psychologically for the dog if you have to say the word over and over and say stay over and over it they learn that it's more of like a temporary thing

Watch at 31:27 ↗

It's a window so that you start the window by saying the command.

Watch at 43:02 ↗

Where the trainers differ

What to say when the dog breaks.

One view

'Nope', send him, put him back.

On film

right and if he gets up before the release word it's important that you do that you tell him

Bo · Watch at 28:45 ↗

Another view

'Eh' said quietly for a broken position, with 'nope' kept for things never wanted; then the collar.

On film

doing good but he gets up before i release him well i want to reinforce that behavior of sitting

Neo · Watch at 14:26 ↗

How to read it

The marker vocabulary belongs to the how-many-correction-words concept; here it matters only that the dog is marked and returned, not re-cued.

Is the word 'stay' ever used?

One view

Never: it slips out and is withdrawn; saying it at all means something is wrong.

On film

Stay. Oh, we don't use that.

Lucia · Watch at 1:34 ↗

lied um if you're having to say it then something's kind of like there's a little bit of a problem

Levi · Watch at 7:40 ↗

Another view

It survives in description: trainers still say 'down stay' and 'good on her stay' when talking about the dog.

On film

She's been good on her stay, too.

Pepper · Watch at 1:55 ↗

now i like to have him wait in a down stay at any kind of crosswalks

Phoebe (the Rottweiler) · Watch at 11:09 ↗

How to read it

Probably not a real disagreement: the rule forbids stay as a cue, not as a description. Worth saying on the page so owners are not confused by it.

Common owner mistakes

  • Saying stay, and saying it over and over.
    On film

    So it eliminates a very annoying problem, which is having to say stay a thousand times because people say, stay, stay, stay, stay, stay.

    Bo · Watch at 28:10 ↗

    I don't have to say that anymore.

    Apollo (the Bully) · Watch at 2:03 ↗
  • Re-giving the command as a reminder instead of marking the break and putting the dog back.
    On film

    You don't say it again because the window's open and when you say okay, you close the

    Titan · Watch at 43:05 ↗
  • Letting the dog settle wherever he ended up after a break.
    On film

    you want to bring him right back to where he was.

    Titan · Watch at 21:18 ↗
  • Moving on, or giving the next command, before saying okay.
    On film

    the most important thing is that you say okay first before you do something else

    Bernie · Watch at 22:12 ↗

    So you need to release him first and then give him.

    Levi · Watch at 9:18 ↗
  • Letting praise or excitement end the hold.
    On film

    see like when I say down and then when I say good girl she just releases

    Luna · Watch at 43:21 ↗

    But in this particular environment, excited with you, she's going to do it.

    Lunna · Watch at 3:09 ↗
  • Standing and staring at the dog, so he reads the release from your posture.
    On film

    i am purposely ignoring clark kent i'm pretending to shop and just look around

    Clark Kent · Watch at 3:20 ↗

Questions owners ask

So how do I tell my dog to stay?

You don't. Give the position once - sit, down, place, even heel - and the dog holds it until you say the release word. 'You don't have to say stay ever.' If you find yourself needing to say it, one trainer says, something is wrong.

On film

You don't have to say stay ever. I don't know if you noticed that, but we don't use stay.

Bo · Watch at 28:01 ↗

lied um if you're having to say it then something's kind of like there's a little bit of a problem

Levi · Watch at 7:40 ↗

What do I do if he gets up before I release him?

Mark it and put him back, in the same spot, without repeating the command. Connor explains why the spot matters: if the dog ends up somewhere else, he learns the sit is a momentary thing and the implied stay is 'just void'.

On film

right and if he gets up before the release word it's important that you do that you tell him

Bo · Watch at 28:45 ↗

you want to bring him right back to where he was. Or else you kind of teach him that like sit is a stationary thing.

Titan · Watch at 21:18 ↗

Does this apply to heel as well, or only sit, down and place?

Every command. At one owner lesson the trainer says dogs stay in the command 'even if it's a moving command', and the heel holds until okay just as a sit does.

On film

that's the other thing you might have seen some of the videos is is the way that like stay works. We don't say stay, it's implied.

Roxy · Watch at 30:16 ↗

Why not just say stay? Isn't it clearer?

The trainers give two reasons. People say it over and over until the dog cannot tell which one counts; and repeating it teaches the dog the position is temporary. There is also a practical reason for families: a position that holds until released is what makes the dog safe to take out among people and dogs. One trainer answers from his own practice (30 Sep material): he used to teach the command and then 'stay', and dropped the word a couple of years ago, keeping everything else the same, because the fewer words an everyday owner has to say, the fewer mistakes creep in.

On film

yeah cuz actually psychologically for the dog if you have to say the word over and over and say stay over and over it they learn that it's more of like a temporary thing

Roxy · Watch at 31:27 ↗

So a lot of this is for safety, so that when the obedience is completely done, and we put the dog in that position

Max · Watch at 8:11 ↗

um and it actually ends up making it in my opinion i switched to doing that a couple years ago

Pepper · Watch at 6:06 ↗

it is to maintain um because the more words i have to have you say as like the everyday person

Pepper · Watch at 6:18 ↗

My dog already knows stay. Is that a problem?

The record does not answer this directly. One family had listed stay among the words they wanted and were told at go-home that it is implied instead.

On film

stay command instead it's implied so if you have a release marker if i tell you to do something

Bernie · Watch at 20:59 ↗

The lesson

The goal

Hold any commanded position until the release word, with no stay cue, and return the dog to his spot when he breaks.

Learn first

The drill

As filmed: cue the position once. Start with a couple of steps away and a few seconds, then release. Add distance, time and distraction - walk away, look away, dance around, pretend to shop, have someone walk past, open and close a door. Vary where you release from, so the dog cannot predict it. A break gets a marker and a return to the same spot; the command is not repeated. Release with the word, then give any next command.

Watch out for

  • Saying stay.
  • Repeating the command after a break.
  • Letting the dog settle wherever he ended up.
  • Giving the next command before the release.

Check yourself

You say 'sit', walk across the room and pretend to be busy. Does he stay until you say okay?

ONE TEAM. MORE WAYS TO UNDERSTAND THE WORK.

Explore Angier K9.

Published by the Angier K9 team. For your dog, start with a free consultation.

Find Angier K9 on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, Reddit, Thumbtack, X and Pinterest.