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The session: dose, venue and proofing · Reliability is what you have not tested

How do I know if my dog is actually reliable?

A dog is only as reliable as the hardest situation he has actually been tested in: a string of good days can simply mean nothing has happened yet, so the trainers set up the real test on purpose, count a first success as a first, and do not take the backup off on a hunch.

The answer

The trainers keep coming back to one point: a dog can look finished because nothing has happened yet. Kelton, at Lola's second owner lesson: "sometimes a dog can look really good because nothing's happened... maybe two out of 10 times the dog will bolt. But the thing is if you only see the eight out of 10 times you're like yeah good." He acts on it there and then. He calls Lola in at a narrow point rather than risk ending a great session chasing her.

Three habits follow from that.

The first is not crediting an easy success. Lola's trainer takes her out at night because there is less to set her off, and says the clean result does not count yet: "we'll see how she does at, like, you know, 2 or 3 o'clock tomorrow in the afternoon." Bo's trainer logs a successful down out loud as "the first rep", in the same breath as saying Bo does not know down well yet. Finn's trainer says a recall only proves anything where the dog could really leave, because "if he's in the training yard he knows he can't get away." Recall gets the same treatment in several later files: a dog called when he has nothing better to do proves little. Oscar's trainer at go-home calls that "not like a big test" and recalls him away from the clients instead (uncertain audio). Milo's trainer only counts it when the children are running and he wants to go with them. Astro's trainer says a six-foot leash never proved his recall, because he never got close enough to want anything else.

The second is testing the real thing, not something like it. Bo's owner wants to board him, so his trainer builds a mock boarding kennel. It has an unfamiliar crate, two staff Bo barely knows, gloves, and dogs barking in the background. The next round is to be with handlers of "different like skill levels for handlers so not all professional dog trainers", because that is who will handle him. Pepper's trainer hands her leash to a helper to see whether her skills transfer, and when she pulls, "that's why we're testing it out." Louie is proven in his new home by a filmed family meal, loose among the people and food he was meant to be dangerous around.

The third is finding out what the dog does before deciding what he is. Kelton (Reaper's trainer) at pick-up says most people never give a dog the chance to try, so "nobody knows what they'll actually do." Fiona's trainer suspects her reactivity is only leash and barrier reactivity, because she has probably never been near a dog without one, and sets up a test. Kodak and Rocko had never been loose together, so Kelton tries it at the owner lesson, in steps. Piglet is taken to chickens because "I'd like her to do something so I have a chance to penalize her for it", and when Lucy's staged recall tests come out perfect her evaluator is "disappointed" and takes the leash off to see if anything shows. A reported bite is treated the same way: neither believed nor dismissed, but tested under protection. Nikki, a rescue being prepared for a new home after a reported bite, is handled in gloves the way a child might handle her ('we wanna make sure that she won't bite any kids'); when a growl is reported but not filmed, a session is set up to reproduce it 'so that we can correct it', and one clean result is not taken as the answer ('we'll keep testing ... over the next couple of days'). At Chaparro's first evaluation the staff let him meet them loose to see whether he would really bite, and explain to the family in Spanish that the point was to tell a dog who will really bite from one who is only watching. And Reaper's trainer asks the family to invite the very people Reaper has had trouble with to a lesson, so the encounter is staged with him present and safety equipment on hand, rather than left to the family - who, he predicts, would most likely 'just won't chance it'.

The standard for taking the backup off is certainty, not optimism. After a session where everything went right, Zeus's trainer says he thinks Zeus would have listened off leash, and does not try it: "you want to know not hope."

What is inferred: the trainers never give a number of clean repetitions that counts as reliable. The record gives a method (test the real condition, with real people, where failure is possible) rather than a threshold.

Angier K9 is a family-owned, play-based Board & Train serving Angier, Raleigh and the Triangle, with three full owner lessons.

What to do

Don't count a good week as proof. Test your dog where he could fail: afternoon, not midnight; somewhere he could leave, not the yard; with other people holding the leash, not only you. Treat a mistake in a test as the point of the test. Keep the long line or the leash on until you know, not hope.

What the trainers say

sometimes a dog can look really good because nothing's happened. You know what I mean? So like maybe two out of 10 times the dog will bolt. But the thing is if you only see the eight out of 10 times you're like yeah good.

Kelton · Lola · Watch at 41:48 ↗

she's not doing any bolting out here which is really really good it is night and there's less distractions too so So, we'll see how she does at, like, you know, 2 or 3 o'clock tomorrow in the afternoon.

Connor - Lola's trainer (not named on film) · Lola · Watch at 3:20 ↗

That was the first rep just now down good job, okay? Yeah, good job

Bo's trainer (not named on film) · Bo · Watch at 1:10 ↗

all right so what we're doing is we're kind of doing like a boarding kennel-ish setup because i know you want to be able to board him in a kennel um so we have two volunteers who have not interacted with beau that much connor's worked with him just a little bit um i don't think claudia has done anything with him ever

Bo's trainer (not named on film) · Bo · Watch at 0:00 ↗

have him go in and out of the crate for them and follow commands with different like skill levels for handlers so not all professional dog trainers

Bo's trainer (not named on film) · Bo · Watch at 14:20 ↗

and based upon his reaction there I think that he would have listened to me pretty well even if he was off leash but I just you know he's a very big dog and there's liability issues I'm not going to test that

Kelton - Zeus's trainer (not named on film) · Zeus · Watch at 43:58 ↗

it's not something you just kind of like try out you want to be confident before you do something like that you want to know not hope you want to know not hope

Kelton - Zeus's trainer (not named on film) · Zeus · Watch at 44:18 ↗

it needs to be in a place where he could just leave and because they know they know if they can just leave or not right dogs are not stupid right so like if he's in the training yard he knows he can't get away

Finn's trainer (not named on film) · Finn · Watch at 29:49 ↗

So they've never given the dog a chance to try.

Reaper · Watch at 12:05 ↗

But we won't know until we see.

Reaper · Watch at 12:23 ↗

about is that I don't think she's ever actually gotten to do it. Like try it. Meaning like,

Fiona's trainer (not named on film) · Fiona · Watch at 8:15 ↗

important especially in these cases is to test test test

Irwin's trainer (not named on film) · Irwin · Watch at 5:00 ↗

And then I'm just going to keep kind of evaluating, changing my idea, evaluating, changing, evaluating, changing.

Irwin's trainer (not named on film) · Irwin · Watch at 3:39 ↗

there but with cases like this I can't correct it unless if he's actually doing it and I can see

Christian (probably) - Hank's trainer (probably Christian) · Hank · Watch at 9:52 ↗

There you go, that's why we're testing it out.

Pepper's trainer (not named on film) · Pepper · Watch at 8:20 ↗

that's what we want we want to see the behavior so we can correct it like and nip that in the bud so she can have a good and happy long life with her new family

the handler · Nikki · Watch at 1:57 ↗

No, we'll keep testing to see if we can get a growl again like over the next couple of days, but yeah, I think she'll be fine.

the handler · Nikki · Watch at 24:00 ↗

i'm gonna let him go in first we wanna see if he's he's gonna bite him hey buddy hey

the staff at the evaluation (speaker not certain) · Chaparro · Watch at 0:30 ↗

bring a few people that like he's having issues with and have them there um because then instead of it being like an unknown thing

Reaper · Watch at 41:50 ↗

she would have never learned that if we wouldn't have tried

the trainer · Pepper · Watch at 18:01 ↗

and his recall has gotten pretty good, I still need to test it around a little bit higher distractions, but it's good enough that I'm I'm not worried about him running off.

the trainer · Apollo (the Sharkie) · Watch at 27:11 ↗

so the flexi allows for that right whereas the six foot it's like he never got close enough to be interested in anything

the trainer, at Astro's update evaluation · Astro · Watch at 4:11 ↗

maybe she has let's check let's check that reactivity out with a dog maybe she doesn't have reactivity

the trainer · Callie · Watch at 0:06 ↗

I haven't done that yet in the house um I plan on doing that here today okay giving it a shot um probably not loose at first just because I want to be able to check things out

Kelton - Kodak's trainer · Kodak · Watch at 18:05 ↗

i'm disappointed but it's not her fault she's like i did exactly what i was supposed supposed to I did nothing wrong

Kelton - the evaluating trainer · Lucy · Watch at 43:16 ↗

I know untrained dogs they can do that like because just because they don't have anything better to do and they want to come to you but like yeah kids running I want to run with them I want to go see them and then they recall then I'm like okay they know it

the trainer, Josi and Milo's recall session · Milo · Watch at 16:01 ↗

to recall dog and from like right there and be like see his recall is great and you're like yeah he wasn't doing anything it's like that's not like a big test this is a bigger test because i'd have to recall him away from you

the trainer, at Oscar's go-home lesson · Oscar · Watch at 10:02 ↗uncertain audio

um at some point i'd like to what i'll probably do is have them meet me somewhere when i'm out training already and see how pika does with them

the trainer, at Peque's refresher · Peque (PK) · Watch at 5:52 ↗

but she's making better decisions while i'm around and so i'd like to get at least one more opportunity to penalize it here and then another opportunity when she goes home for the go-home lesson

Kelton · Piglet · Watch at 2:07 ↗

letting him get near dogs right and it's kind of like you don't want it to become a thing so you just you let him go check yeah and then you just respond

the trainer, at Rocky's follow-up (the line follows the owner's · Rocky · Watch at 4:37 ↗

time I don't know what to expect I'm thinking the worst you know thinking

not named on this audio) · Thumper · Watch at 0:29 ↗

How it looks, dog by dog

Lola

Lola bolts when her nerves take over. At the second owner lesson Kelton tells the owners what eight good repetitions can hide: the two times out of ten she bolts. He acts on it, calling her in at a narrow spot rather than risk ending a good lesson chasing her. In a night session another trainer finds no bolting and refuses to credit it yet: it was dark and quiet, so the retest is two or three in the afternoon. At go-home the owners are told plainly that if she works out nobody is holding the long line, they will not catch her.

On film

sometimes a dog can look really good because nothing's happened. You know what I mean? So like maybe two out of 10 times the dog will bolt. But the thing is if you only see the eight out of 10 times you're like yeah good.

Watch at 41:48 ↗

I would rather just have Lola come over here for a second just cuz I'm not sure cuz the last thing I want to do is have like a great session and then by the end we're like chasing down your dog.

Watch at 42:07 ↗

she's not doing any bolting out here which is really really good it is night and there's less distractions too so So, we'll see how she does at, like, you know, 2 or 3 o'clock tomorrow in the afternoon.

Watch at 3:20 ↗

or you can get that moment where you put her on the long line and she looks behind and she's like nobody's holding me anymore and then just and you are not going to catch her if she runs.

Watch at 26:39 ↗

Bo

Two habits. On a trail, Bo's trainer marks a successful down as 'the first rep' while saying Bo does not know it well yet. In the next session he names the help in the first down and schedules it to shrink. Later, because the owner wants to board Bo, he stages the real thing: a mock boarding kennel, an unfamiliar crate, Connor (who has barely worked Bo) and Claudia (who never has), gloves, a door that will not latch, other dogs barking. The next round is to be handlers of different skill levels, not all professional trainers, then nails clipped on camera and a vet visit.

On film

Down down, but down it doesn't know down too well yet

Watch at 0:59 ↗

And that is Bo's first rep of down.

Watch at 4:38 ↗

all right so what we're doing is we're kind of doing like a boarding kennel-ish setup because i know you want to be able to board him in a kennel um so we have two volunteers who have not interacted with beau that much connor's worked with him just a little bit um i don't think claudia has done anything with him ever

Watch at 0:00 ↗

we were going in the house yeah no yeah because i also want i'm hoping some dogs will bark or

Watch at 7:21 ↗

have him go in and out of the crate for them and follow commands with different like skill levels for handlers so not all professional dog trainers

Watch at 14:20 ↗

Zeus

Late in Zeus's program, after a session in which everything went right, the trainer says he thinks Zeus would have listened off leash. He declines to test it: Zeus is a very big dog, and there is liability. Removing the backup is not something you try out. 'You want to know not hope,' said twice.

On film

and based upon his reaction there I think that he would have listened to me pretty well even if he was off leash but I just you know he's a very big dog and there's liability issues I'm not going to test that

Watch at 43:58 ↗

it's not something you just kind of like try out you want to be confident before you do something like that you want to know not hope you want to know not hope

Watch at 44:18 ↗

Finn

At Finn's first owner lesson the trainer explains why the recall is proofed where Finn could genuinely leave: dogs know whether they can get away, and in the training yard he knows he can't. He also keeps a slip lead on as a backup, because Finn has slipped his collar once before.

On film

because they know they know if they can just leave or not right dogs are not stupid right so like if he's in the training yard he knows he can't get away

Watch at 29:56 ↗

that's also why you see he has a he has a flat collar on because we normally just train with flat collars and knee collars but he's also got a backup on you see that little slip leap yeah because I did have him slip the collar on me one time

Watch at 30:19 ↗

Louie

Louie was a rescue with a bite history, placed with a family on rural land. The proof of the placement is not an obedience test. It is an ordinary family meal, filmed, with Louie loose among grandparents, parents, children, other dogs and food. Nothing much is asked of him and nothing is prevented. Earlier on placement day he approaches to be touched, and a staff member reads him as relatively chilled and not messed up by it.

On film

it's recording. yeah I'm just recording a few things yeah.

Watch at 3:21 ↗

He even approached to be touched. Did you see that?

Watch at 22:57 ↗

He seems relatively chilled. I mean, it's a little like what the heck is going on, but but he doesn't seem like messed up about it.

Watch at 23:26 ↗

Reaper

Reaper is a very large dog in a serious behaviour-modification program. At pick-up his lead trainer, in a bite suit, explains the staged handoff. Most people never give a dog the chance to try, so nobody knows what the dog will actually do: 'we won't know until we see.' Two months later, on his first public trail walk, the trainer notes that Reaper has never been able to go anywhere like it. At the first owner lesson, after going through how to handle visitors and tight spots on the trails, the trainer asks the family to have the people Reaper has had problems with at the next lesson. With him there and 'safety equipment just in case', the encounter can be set up safely and the outcome seen.

On film

So they've never given the dog a chance to try.

Watch at 12:05 ↗

So it's like nobody knows what they'll actually do unless they've actually bit somebody before.

Watch at 12:12 ↗

never been able to go anywhere like this he's never been able to do anything like this because

Watch at 22:15 ↗

bring a few people that like he's having issues with and have them there um because then instead of it being like an unknown thing

Watch at 41:50 ↗

this is actually i think the most likely option you guys just won't chance it right

Watch at 42:27 ↗

right i can bring safety equipment just in case right um and so then we can like do the

Watch at 42:51 ↗

Fiona

Fiona shows some reactivity on walks, but her trainer suspects she has never actually been near another dog without a leash or a barrier. So the reactivity may be leash and barrier reactivity only. He sets up a test with two staff dogs walking through, and tells viewers not to test a small dog with a big dog themselves. Later the staff plan cat and small-animal tests once her foundation is good.

On film

about is that I don't think she's ever actually gotten to do it. Like try it. Meaning like,

Watch at 8:15 ↗

it's really only like leash and barrier reactivity so i just want to test that and see how she does

Watch at 9:21 ↗

So we're gonna do some cat tests later.

Watch at 7:52 ↗

Irwin

His trainer tries a food-scented ball to build sniffing and play, and Irwin guards it: the first time anyone has seen guarding, including at feeding.

On film

And then I'm just going to keep kind of evaluating, changing my idea, evaluating, changing, evaluating, changing.

Watch at 3:39 ↗

him specifically so it's better to see all the behaviors through the training before they ended

Watch at 4:48 ↗

see how the dog responds we're basically just constantly evaluating our first evaluation is

Watch at 5:12 ↗

Hank

He is walked and tested on the leash first to find out if there is a specific issue. Then he is put in a play yard next to barking dogs so any fixation shows, because his trainer cannot correct what he has not seen.

On film

we spent some time just kind of going around and testing the leash and just kind of figuring out

Watch at 8:39 ↗

there but with cases like this I can't correct it unless if he's actually doing it and I can see

Watch at 9:52 ↗

Pepper

On a store trip Pepper's trainer hands the leash to a helper, Alec, to see whether her skills hold with someone else. She pulls a little toward the trainer. 'That's why we're testing it out.' She then holds a sit and takes the release from Alec. Later in the program the same trainer runs it as a rule on a busy outing: he deliberately bends and touches the leash while she holds a position, she takes it as a release, he corrects it and tries again - 'she would have never learned that if we wouldn't have tried' - so 'we make sure that we try all kinds of stuff like that'.

On film

A little pull towards me, she got excited, but that's okay. There you go, that's why we're testing it out.

Watch at 8:16 ↗

she did good alec gave her the command gave her the release so she definitely

Watch at 9:03 ↗

just because I go to touch a leash does not mean that she releases

Watch at 17:37 ↗

she would have never learned that if we wouldn't have tried right um so again that's very very important that we make sure that we try all kinds of stuff like that

Watch at 18:01 ↗

Nikki

A rescue dog being prepared for re-adoption, with a reported bite (at the vet, the handler says, and 'we don't know' exactly what happened). The report is not taken on trust either way. Two handlers have tried to get her to bite in gloves, and the test is built around what a child might do - pulling and tugging at her - because 'we wanna make sure that she won't bite any kids'. A week later a growl at the kennel door, seen once and not filmed, gets its own session: 'this is a video to see if she growls at me again so that we can correct it'. The handler predicts 'all barking no bite' and protects the hand anyway. When she goes back in cleanly, that is not the end of it: 'we'll keep testing to see if we can get a growl again like over the next couple of days'.

On film

so we got gloves and I'm just messing with her because he hasn't been able to have her bite him and I haven't gotten bit

Watch at 0:25 ↗

So we wanna make sure that she won't bite any kids.

Watch at 1:40 ↗

Anyway, this is a video to see if she growls at me again so that we can correct it.

Watch at 1:52 ↗

all growling no what do they call it all barking no bite um so we'll see i'm still gonna protect

Watch at 2:20 ↗

No, we'll keep testing to see if we can get a growl again like over the next couple of days, but yeah, I think she'll be fine.

Watch at 24:00 ↗

Chaparro

A young, large dog at his first in-home evaluation, with a Spanish-speaking family who had told the staff he bites. The staff let him meet them loose to find out - 'we wanna see if he's he's gonna bite him' - and came prepared for a bite. He does not bite, and the staff member interpreting explains the test to the family in Spanish: 'que queremos ver la diferencia de que si él va a morder en verdad o sólo es que está viendo o cosas así' - what we want to see is the difference between whether he will really bite or is only watching; since he does not bite, he is not aggressive, he has reactivity toward other dogs. The fights and the bite the family describes were their account, not tested on the visit; the reading is the evaluator's at a first meeting.

On film

i'm gonna let him go in first we wanna see if he's he's gonna bite him hey buddy hey

Watch at 0:30 ↗

hi buddy i don't think you're gonna bite me probably not

Watch at 0:43 ↗

que queremos ver la diferencia de que si él va a morder en verdad o sólo es que está viendo o cosas así por eso como vemos que él no muere significa que él no es agresivo simplemente tiene reactividad hacia otros perros

Watch at 6:26 ↗

Apollo (the Sharkie)

Late in a place-duration session the trainer rates Apollo's recall but will not call it proven: it is 'good enough' that he is not worried about him running off, yet it still has to be tested around higher distractions - and there was nothing very distracting there anyway.

On film

and his recall has gotten pretty good, I still need to test it around a little bit higher distractions, but it's good enough that I'm I'm not worried about him running off.

Watch at 27:11 ↗

Astro

At an update evaluation the trainer explains why Astro's recall on a six-foot leash proved little: he never got close enough to anything to want it, so he never had to leave something to come back. The longer flexi lets him get interested first. At go-home the same caution applies to greetings: he now seems interested in people, 'he might be fine for greetings i don't know for a certainty'.

On film

he never got interested enough in something to be not wanting to come to you so it doesn't get proof properly

Watch at 4:20 ↗

he might be fine for greetings i don't know for a certainty i typically wouldn't for kids

Watch at 21:32 ↗

Callie

On Callie's first day the trainer does not assume she is or is not dog-reactive: seeing another German Shepherd, she walks her toward it to find out - 'maybe she has', 'maybe she doesn't'.

On film

maybe she has let's check let's check that reactivity out with a dog maybe she doesn't have reactivity

Watch at 0:06 ↗

Kodak

Kodak and Rocko had never been loose together in the same area. At the second owner lesson Kelton says he has not yet had them loose together in the house and plans to give it a shot that day, in steps - leash let out first, 'probably not loose at first' - so the family sees what the dogs do rather than guessing.

On film

I haven't done that yet in the house um I plan on doing that here today okay giving it a shot

Watch at 18:05 ↗

so you've never had them out together in the same

Watch at 7:46 ↗

Lucy

At Lucy's in-person evaluation the trainer stages recall tests to find a failure and gets none: she whips round every time. He is 'disappointed but it's not her fault', and tries 'one last thing' - taking her off the leash - to see whether anything shows.

On film

i'm disappointed but it's not her fault she's like i did exactly what i was supposed supposed to I did nothing wrong

Watch at 43:16 ↗

let's try one last thing yeah just take her off cuz that's the only other thing that I can think of right now in this context to see if we get anything

Watch at 43:22 ↗

Milo

At the off-leash recall session the trainer says a recall from a dog with nothing better to do proves little - untrained dogs do that. What counts is Milo and Josi coming back while the children are running and they want to go with them.

On film

I know untrained dogs they can do that like because just because they don't have anything better to do and they want to come to you

Watch at 16:01 ↗

Oscar

At go-home the trainer refuses the easy demonstration: calling Oscar from close by when he 'wasn't doing anything' is 'not like a big test', so he recalls him away from the clients instead, then uses the release to check whether Oscar came because he was called or because he wanted to (uncertain audio).

On film

to recall dog and from like right there and be like see his recall is great and you're like yeah he wasn't doing anything it's like that's not like a big test this is a bigger test because i'd have to recall him away from you

Watch at 10:02 ↗uncertain audio

Peque (PK)

At a refresher the owners report that Peque has been reactive, especially to bigger dogs. The trainer sees her hackles go up but no 'straight reactivity', and rather than settle it either way plans to have that family meet him somewhere while he is out training, to see how she does with them.

On film

yeah so i didn't see any like straight reactivity there

Watch at 5:41 ↗

um at some point i'd like to what i'll probably do is have them meet me somewhere when i'm out training already and see how pika does with them

Watch at 5:52 ↗

Piglet

Kelton takes Piglet to chickens as a deliberate test of her predatory interest, wanting her to try something so it can be penalised while he is there: 'I'd like her to do something so I have a chance to penalize her for it'. She mostly ignores them, and the next chances are planned - one more here, and another with a cat at her go-home lesson.

On film

We're going to be testing Piggy out with some chickens here.

Watch at 0:04 ↗

I'd like her to do something so I have a chance to penalize her for it like I did

Watch at 1:05 ↗

Rocky

After a few reactions in the same two or three days, Rocky's owner stopped letting him near dogs - and says in the lesson that this means nobody knows whether he has already grown out of it. The trainer's answer is to let him go and check, and respond only if he does something inappropriate.

On film

two three day time span yeah ever since then i haven't been letting him get close to dogs because i was worried yeah but it could be that he's already shaking it off and i just haven't been letting him get near dogs

Watch at 4:29 ↗

Thumper

Thumper's first meeting with a dog on a walk is treated as a first: the trainer says she did not know what to expect and assumes the worst with any dog she is meeting for the first time. He does better than expected.

On film

First interaction with a dog on a walk. Didn't know what to expect, but he did. He did okay.

Watch at 0:21 ↗

Why it works

As the trainers explain it: reliability is a frequency, and a few observations cannot show a low one - eight clean repetitions are consistent with a dog who fails two in ten (Kelton, Lola). Easy conditions flatter the result, so a clean run in the dark or in a fenced yard is not credited until it is repeated where the dog could fail or leave (Lola, Finn). For recall the hard condition is a competing interest: a dog called while he has nothing better to do has shown nothing (Oscar, uncertain audio; Milo; Astro). Dogs generalise poorly across people, places and equipment, so the test has to be the real scenario with the real kind of handler (Bo, Pepper). The cost of being wrong sets the bar: a very big dog off leash is not a thing you try out (Zeus). A further reason is stated in Nikki's sessions: a test that reproduces the problem is how it gets corrected - 'we want to see the behavior so we can correct it' - so the trainers try to provoke a reported growl on camera rather than hope it does not come back (Nikki).

On film

sometimes a dog can look really good because nothing's happened. You know what I mean? So like maybe two out of 10 times the dog will bolt. But the thing is if you only see the eight out of 10 times you're like yeah good.

Watch at 41:48 ↗

because they know they know if they can just leave or not right dogs are not stupid right so like if he's in the training yard he knows he can't get away

Watch at 29:56 ↗

But we won't know until we see.

Watch at 12:23 ↗

and based upon his reaction there I think that he would have listened to me pretty well even if he was off leash but I just you know he's a very big dog and there's liability issues I'm not going to test that

Watch at 43:58 ↗

that's what we want we want to see the behavior so we can correct it like and nip that in the bud so she can have a good and happy long life with her new family

Watch at 1:57 ↗

Inferred

No trainer states a number of clean repetitions that counts as reliable.

Where the trainers differ

Test it, or don't take the chance?

One view

Give the dog the chance so you can see what he does

On film

So they've never given the dog a chance to try.

Watch at 12:05 ↗

so we got gloves and I'm just messing with her because he hasn't been able to have her bite him and I haven't gotten bit

Nikki · Watch at 0:25 ↗

right i can bring safety equipment just in case right um and so then we can like do the

Reaper · Watch at 42:51 ↗

Another view

Do not test it where being wrong is costly - off leash with a very big dog, a child's face near any dog

On film

and based upon his reaction there I think that he would have listened to me pretty well even if he was off leash but I just you know he's a very big dog and there's liability issues I'm not going to test that

Watch at 43:58 ↗

You don't need to take it with any dog. As a general rule, unless you know the dog very well,

Watch at 0:24 ↗

How to read it

Both halves are the same principle - know rather than assume - applied to different stakes. Where failure is recoverable and informative, the trainers stage it; where it is dangerous or irreversible, they refuse to find out. The 30 Sep footage adds the trainers' way of running a costly test: staged by a professional with protection - gloves for a reported biter (Nikki), the trainer present with safety equipment for the visitors Reaper has had trouble with - rather than left untried or tried by the family alone.

Common owner mistakes

  • Reading a run of good days as a fixed dog.
    On film

    sometimes a dog can look really good because nothing's happened. You know what I mean? So like maybe two out of 10 times the dog will bolt. But the thing is if you only see the eight out of 10 times you're like yeah good.

    Watch at 41:48 ↗
  • Trusting a long line to stop a flight-risk dog once she realises nobody is holding it.
    On film

    or you can get that moment where you put her on the long line and she looks behind and she's like nobody's holding me anymore and then just and you are not going to catch her if she runs.

    Watch at 26:39 ↗
  • Testing a small dog with a big dog yourself.
    On film

    is in range um so normally i would not do this um and i recommend that you do not with a small dog

    Watch at 8:38 ↗
  • Never putting the dog in the situation at all after training, so nobody ever finds out ('you guys just won't chance it').
    On film

    this is actually i think the most likely option you guys just won't chance it right

    Reaper · Watch at 42:27 ↗

Questions owners ask

My dog has been perfect for weeks. Is he trained?

Maybe, or maybe nothing has happened yet. Kelton's example is a dog who bolts two times in ten: if you only ever see the eight good ones, you think he is fine. Test him in the situations that matter, where he could fail.

On film

sometimes a dog can look really good because nothing's happened. You know what I mean? So like maybe two out of 10 times the dog will bolt. But the thing is if you only see the eight out of 10 times you're like yeah good.

Watch at 41:48 ↗

When can I take the leash off?

When you know, not when you hope. Zeus's trainer believed Zeus would listen off leash after a perfect session and still did not try it. Finn's trainer says a recall only counts where the dog could really leave.

On film

it's not something you just kind of like try out you want to be confident before you do something like that you want to know not hope you want to know not hope

Watch at 44:18 ↗

it needs to be in a place where he could just leave and because they know they know if they can just leave or not right dogs are not stupid right so like if he's in the training yard he knows he can't get away

Watch at 29:49 ↗

How do you test a dog properly?

Make the test the real thing. For Bo, who was going to be boarded, that meant a mock kennel, an unfamiliar crate and people who barely knew him, then handlers who are not trainers. For Pepper it meant handing her leash to someone else in a store.

On film

all right so what we're doing is we're kind of doing like a boarding kennel-ish setup because i know you want to be able to board him in a kennel um so we have two volunteers who have not interacted with beau that much connor's worked with him just a little bit um i don't think claudia has done anything with him ever

Watch at 0:00 ↗

A little pull towards me, she got excited, but that's okay. There you go, that's why we're testing it out.

Watch at 8:16 ↗

My dog is reactive on walks. Does that mean he is aggressive with dogs?

Not necessarily. Fiona's trainer suspected her reactivity was only leash and barrier reactivity, because she had never been near a dog without one, and set up a controlled test to find out. He warns owners not to run that test with a small and a big dog themselves.

On film

it's really only like leash and barrier reactivity so i just want to test that and see how she does

Watch at 9:21 ↗

is in range um so normally i would not do this um and i recommend that you do not with a small dog

Watch at 8:38 ↗

The rescue says she bites. How do you find out?

On film the report is neither accepted nor dismissed. Nikki is handled in gloves the way a child might handle her, by more than one person, and a growl reported at the kennel door is deliberately set up again on camera 'so that we can correct it'. One clean result is not the end: 'we'll keep testing ... over the next couple of days'. At Chaparro's evaluation the staff let him meet them loose, prepared for a bite, to tell real biting from watching and reacting. These are tests run by trainers with protection, not something the clips suggest an owner try alone.

On film

So we wanna make sure that she's okay with kids tugging on her.

Nikki · Watch at 1:29 ↗

Anyway, this is a video to see if she growls at me again so that we can correct it.

Nikki · Watch at 1:52 ↗

No, we'll keep testing to see if we can get a growl again like over the next couple of days, but yeah, I think she'll be fine.

Nikki · Watch at 24:00 ↗

i'm gonna let him go in first we wanna see if he's he's gonna bite him hey buddy hey

Chaparro · Watch at 0:30 ↗

My dog always comes when I call him at home. Is his recall reliable?

Not yet proven. Several trainers say a recall only counts when the dog leaves something he wants. Calling a dog who 'wasn't doing anything' is 'not like a big test' (Oscar's go-home, uncertain audio). Milo's trainer waits until the children are running. Astro's trainer says a six-foot leash never proved it, because Astro never got close enough to want anything.

On film

I know untrained dogs they can do that like because just because they don't have anything better to do and they want to come to you

Watch at 16:01 ↗

he never got interested enough in something to be not wanting to come to you so it doesn't get proof properly

Watch at 4:20 ↗

The lesson

The goal

The owner can tell a clean result from a proven one, design a test that matches the real situation, and decide when the backup can come off.

Learn first

The drill

As run for Bo: list where the dog must perform (a boarding kennel), then build that - an unfamiliar crate, handlers who barely know him, gloves, barking in the background - and have the new handlers fit his collar, ask for sit, down and place, and crate him. Next round: handlers who are not trainers. As run for Pepper: hand the leash to a second person in a store and watch.

Watch out for

  • Testing only in easy conditions and crediting the result.
  • Testing only with the trainer or one owner.
  • Taking the backup off on a good feeling.
  • Treating a mistake in a test as a failure rather than information.

Check yourself

Your dog has come back every time in your fenced garden. What would a real test of his recall look like?

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