The answer
Not necessarily, and on a nervous dog it is often the opposite of what it looks like. Lola's trainer watches a dog who would not be touched begin holding onto his leg and circling it, and names it: 'they just start using the handler as a way to manage their anxiety'. His answer is to bond hard with her and stay detached about supplying contact on demand. Ozzy's handlers draw the same line with a lap: he may sit beside a person and be petted, but not climb on, because the lap had become an anxiety crutch - a place to hide. Dory's first walk on a new route was spent 'velcroed' to her trainer, not looking at anything; that was her frightened starting state, and her interest in people later was the progress.
It is also a training problem, and a plain one. A dog who will not leave you cannot have her recall tested, because there is nothing to recall her from. Dory's trainer tries and cannot: she is following him everywhere. Roofus's trainer has a hard time getting him far enough away to practise at all. Milo and Josi's trainer spends several March sessions just getting two small dogs to walk away from him - being as boring as possible, pestering them until they go, sending them to another trainer - and states the lesson he does not want them to learn: that they just have to stick with him. Murphy's trainer does the same on a long line, walking away so Murphy does not think he is supposed to be with him. Levi's trainer puts the obedience point in one line at an evaluation: a dog who wants to be around his owner all day listens while that is convenient, and stops the moment he finds something more interesting.
So the cure is an action rather than a sentiment. Send her away. Walk without giving commands so distance stops predicting a recall. Do not recall her every time she goes out - Milo's trainer and Egg's both warn that a dog called back every time learns to stop going out. Give the line back early: Deuce's handler lengthens it two minutes into marker work precisely so he does not build a Velcro dog. Recall her off a second person. After a serious correction, Rocky's trainer pushes him away to explore so he does not become 'the glue dog' out of fear. Oscar's trainer does not want a dog looking at him the whole time - 'it's way too much'.
Closeness can also stand in for the work itself. Stormi's trainer keeps her sessions strict because, he says, she wants to be 'really emotionally attached' to him. At her go-home lesson, with the owner handling, she answers a down by going between the owner's legs ('the in between the legs, Shepard move') and then rolling on her belly, which the trainer reads as submitting so as not to have to do what is asked. Of her wish to be pressed up against people - 'that's her thing' - his instruction is to put her back where she was told to be, and his parting list for the owner includes 'making sure that you force some distance', so that her commands are not done glued to the person.
The trainers also say how a Velcro dog gets made. Doja's trainer (Kelton, by his 23 Sep credit): generalised suppression, until the dog never leaves you; the release is what lets a dog feel free to leave, and the recall needs that. One of Lola's trainers describes a dog repressed with an e-collar until it has 'no soul anymore'. The company line, from several handlers, is to keep the personality and add the obedience.
What is inferred rather than said: nothing on film distinguishes, in the moment, contact a comfortable dog offers from contact an anxious dog is using.
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What to do
Stop treating the shadowing as affection and start testing it: put her on a long line in a big space, walk away, and see whether she will leave you at all (watch 13:12; watch 23:05). If she will not, produce distance first - walk without giving commands, be boring, let her go and investigate (watch 24:09; watch 02:15). Do not call her back every time she goes out, or she learns to stop going out (watch 09:29; watch 42:04). Do not hand out contact on demand; she can be petted beside you without sitting on your lap (watch 27:12; watch 15:15). After a hard correction, send her off to sniff so the closeness does not become fear (watch 22:15). And if there are two of you at home, practise calling her off the other one (watch 13:37). If she presses up against you or rolls over to get out of a command, put her back where she was told to be and build in some distance, so her commands do not depend on contact (watch 24:29, 25:38).
What the trainers say
The Nervotator has switched from not wanting my touch to actually now she's kind of using our physical touch a little bit as like a nervous, some dogs, the Shepherds have like this nervous behavior where they'll like, either like hold on your leg, circle around your leg. They just start using the handler as a way to manage their anxiety, night which is understandable from a dog perspective but in this case you have to be very detached
it'll be something that anytime you're carrying a nervous dog i will say one of the most important things is to bond very well with them
because she's like tied to me though cuz she's nervous. I really have a hard time testing on her recall.
Because what you don't want is her just get the idea like, okay, like I'm just stuck to this person and then that's like her coping mechanism all she does is just like like Velcro.
Then it kind of gets her out of the mental pattern of Velcroing to anybody.
So that's actually a strategy that I've used in the past, if you have two people working the dog.
Like when you're generalizing it with her people when she goes home. She's gonna do it That's a very real reality is that they could say comments. You could try to hide behind somebody else
If she anticipates like she just did there, because like the last two times, what happened? I stopped, she stayed with you, I recalled her, and she didn't come. It wasn't a reaction to the command, it was a prediction based off of like...
Because that's like one of the big things is like how are you supposed to train recall when the dog won't recall, right?
there's a term called velcro dog you ever heard of it it's where like they take a nervous dog or a dog that doesn't listen well and they use the e-collar and like reinforcement so much so the dog's scared to leave the side and so for the rest of his life it just follows the owner around like this and because they repressed the dog like so hard the dog has no soul anymore not a fan of that
in that case where you correct her if you kept it really intense after that she could probably start to like you know box up and get really just suppressed which i mean you don't want that with her she's already like kind of borderline suppressed enough we're trying to like keep her open
Alright, so now that he kind of understands the concept, I'm going to loosen up a little bit because I don't want him to become a Velcro dog. Which is, you know, it's been a dog that kind of just sticks by you 24-7. Like, I can't go anywhere. So I'm going to get the leash just a little bit longer.
the main thing is my my thing is like i want the dogs to keep their personality just make them obedient
when i when i do reply i gotta do it i'm my goal is to not like repress you into this dog that's just like frozen it's just sitting there all day that's not like it doesn't dog's personality
um those nervous dogs they get the gill grinder usually within like about a year they end up like biting their body because they get so frustrated that like all of a sudden i don't know where they're fighting next door
Let's go. So I'm teaching her come today. Like just come with me
All out for now, but that's an anxious behavior that we can't have. Good job
what i think about the dog training if not you're getting the like repression and i'm really like super against that like very morally against repressing a dog in very light doses it's okay
look i trained her but she's still gonna be a goofy like i don't honestly i i wouldn't want to like make her not goofy you know what i mean i still want them to be them
smidgen of repression is not bad because it's more just like you're repressing that behavior but then it gets to the point where you're actively like repressing the personality and everything and That's not cool
good so the important thing is that the lesson i don't want them to get is that they just have to
and over again if you go a little further away then like you get called back every single time
and then recall them away from them but i try not to recall them away from every distraction
I'm trying to test your recall, Dory, which you're following me everywhere.
because they'll never leave you and if they get stuck to you and you end up with a velcro dog then you have a very different set of problems
strategies I might try is just walking for you know a while without giving any commands at all so that he's not expecting anything so that he starts to venture further and further away from me
all the time because that's what happens a lot of times when you just generalize suppression then they end up just never leaving you it's what we call a velcro dog
noticed that he's like he doesn't want to leave yeah i'm going to encourage him to go okay right i want him to go go go go go go look at stuff go right i want him to go away now because i don't want to get him stuck where he's like the glue dog
So one of his things, right, is that he uses, like, objects and people.
I don't need him looking at me the whole time, it's way too much.
So might as well remove the attachment to me from the scenario here.
So I'm being really strict with her because she's very, wants to be really emotionally attached to me.
What she's doing is she's submitting to you because she's like rolling on her belly. And she's like, maybe if I submit, then I won't have to do what she's asking me.
like that's her thing she wants to be really like like close to somebody so what i would do is i'd like bring her back over there
making sure that you force some distance so she doesn't learn like hey i can do the command doesn't like you know i'm just gonna be like so close that they can't breathe
he wants to be around you 24 7 and like right now it's convenient because he'll listen to you but the second you're with him and he finds something that's more interesting than you in that present moment all of a sudden that goes away
that but i'm gonna actually walk away from him now so that he doesn't think he's supposed to be with me
she's doing a little bit of that shepherd behavior where like she's just kind of hanging around me a little bit out of uh shepherds are kind of naturally having like a little like they have like a baseline of anxiety usually
How it looks, dog by dog
Lola
The dog the diagnosis is made on, and the only case where the whole arc of it is on film. It arrives as an improvement: she started out refusing to be touched, and by the end of the first long session she is holding onto a leg and circling it - which the trainer names as her having switched to using physical contact to manage anxiety. His prescription is two things at once that sound contradictory and are not: bond hard with a nervous dog, which he calls one of the most important things a handler does, and be very detached about supplying the contact. The consequence he cares about is practical rather than emotional: she is tied to him because she is nervous, and he cannot honestly test her recall, because there is nothing to call her away from. The drill is a two-hander. Let her Velcro to handler B, recall her off him, mark the refusal, repeat, and vary the setup so she cannot pattern it - and he catches her patterning it anyway three repetitions in, which is the detail that makes the drill credible. He also states the reason with the family in mind: this is the failure he predicts for them, a dog who tries to hide behind her people when a command arrives. And her file contains the argument for why the alternative is worse: the Velcro dog is made with an e-collar and enough reinforcement to frighten a dog off leaving your side, and what you have then is a dog following you around for life with, in his words, no soul anymore.
On film
The Nervotator has switched from not wanting my touch to actually now she's kind of using our physical touch a little bit as like a nervous, some dogs, the Shepherds have like this nervous behavior where they'll like, either like hold on your leg, circle around your leg. They just start using the handler as a way to manage their anxiety, night which is understandable from a dog perspective but in this case you have to be very detached
because she's like tied to me though cuz she's nervous. I really have a hard time testing on her recall.
Because what you don't want is her just get the idea like, okay, like I'm just stuck to this person and then that's like her coping mechanism all she does is just like like Velcro.
If she anticipates like she just did there, because like the last two times, what happened? I stopped, she stayed with you, I recalled her, and she didn't come. It wasn't a reaction to the command, it was a prediction based off of like...
there's a term called velcro dog you ever heard of it it's where like they take a nervous dog or a dog that doesn't listen well and they use the e-collar and like reinforcement so much so the dog's scared to leave the side and so for the rest of his life it just follows the owner around like this and because they repressed the dog like so hard the dog has no soul anymore not a fan of that
Roxy
Roxy's session opens with a clean statement of the plan - teaching come, so that if she goes far and he says come she can come. Her arc files it as a question about the setup of one exercise, not as a trait. The same obstacle is stated cleanly in other files (Dory, Roofus, Milo and Josi).
On film
Let's go. So I'm teaching her come today. Like just come with me
Deuce
Not a nervous dog at all - a ten-month-old who does not know how strong he is - and that is why his case matters here. The concept appears on him as prevention rather than treatment, and as a deliberate action taken at the least intuitive moment. Two minutes into marker work, at the exact point where control has just become easy, the handler lengthens the line: now that he understands the concept, loosen up a little, because a Velcro dog is the kind that sticks by you all day and cannot go anywhere. The lengthening is explicitly not a reward for good behaviour; it is a step in the plan. At his handover the same instinct shows up as a statement of what the program is for - keep the personality, just make them obedient - and as a refusal said in the dog's own second person, that the goal is not to repress him into something frozen sitting there all day. The trainers also warn that the Velcro version is a risk rather than merely sad: in their account, a nervous dog held at heel all the time builds frustration, and in more extreme cases that frustration can end in a bite.
On film
Alright, so now that he kind of understands the concept, I'm going to loosen up a little bit because I don't want him to become a Velcro dog. Which is, you know, it's been a dog that kind of just sticks by you 24-7. Like, I can't go anywhere. So I'm going to get the leash just a little bit longer.
the main thing is my my thing is like i want the dogs to keep their personality just make them obedient
when i when i do reply i gotta do it i'm my goal is to not like repress you into this dog that's just like frozen it's just sitting there all day that's not like it doesn't dog's personality
um those nervous dogs they get the gill grinder usually within like about a year they end up like biting their body because they get so frustrated that like all of a sudden i don't know where they're fighting next door
Luna
The dog where the reading is made on a walk, out loud, with the behaviour on screen - and it is the reading an owner is most likely to get backwards. She closes distance on the handler and he stops to point it out, because somebody watching might not know: she comes close to him, and that is an anxious behaviour that cannot be allowed. No correction is narrated; the behaviour is simply named and worked away from. Her file is the shortest evidence in this concept and the most useful for an owner, because the same twenty seconds contains the thing the dog does and the interpretation the trainer puts on it, and every owner who has been pleased by a dog that shadows them will recognise the picture.
On film
She comes close to me
All out for now, but that's an anxious behavior that we can't have. Good job
Stormie
The case that supplies the moral line rather than the diagnosis. Her handover contains no Velcro dog and no recall problem; what it has is the positive statement of the same value, made to a client who is about to take her dog home. He would not want to make her less goofy - he trained her, and she is still going to be a goofy dog, because he still wants them to be them. And then he draws the boundary explicitly: he is very morally against repressing a dog, a smidgen of repression is acceptable because what is being repressed is a behaviour, and it becomes unacceptable at the point where the personality is what is being repressed. Read against Lola's soulless-Velcro-dog line, this is the same position stated from the other end, by a different handler about a different dog - which is what makes it a company position rather than one man's turn of phrase.
On film
look i trained her but she's still gonna be a goofy like i don't honestly i i wouldn't want to like make her not goofy you know what i mean i still want them to be them
what i think about the dog training if not you're getting the like repression and i'm really like super against that like very morally against repressing a dog in very light doses it's okay
smidgen of repression is not bad because it's more just like you're repressing that behavior but then it gets to the point where you're actively like repressing the personality and everything and That's not cool
Milo
Milo and his sister Josi, two small dogs, are the fullest case of the practical problem. Through March 2026 their trainer's stated goal on walk after walk is simply that they walk away from him: he is as boring as possible, pesters them until they go, sends them to another trainer and his dog, and uses a helper on a cot as somewhere they want to stay so they can be recalled away. The lesson he does not want them to learn is that they just have to stick with him. At the owner lessons he gives the rules that follow: recall from some distractions but not every one, and do not call a dog back every time he goes further out, or he will stop going out - which also hands the owner control of how far out that is.
On film
good so the important thing is that the lesson i don't want them to get is that they just have to
I'm gonna be as boring as possible going to ignore you to leave must go I'll do
We're going on a walk. Let's go guys! Let's go! My goal is that they walk away from me a few times.
and then recall them away from them but i try not to recall them away from every distraction
and over again if you go a little further away then like you get called back every single time
Josi
Josi shares Milo's sessions and his obstacle: both dogs stay glued to the trainer, so there is nothing to recall them from. When he cannot get them to leave, he tells her she does not have to follow him around and sends her with her brother; the two are more comfortable together, and more likely to wander. Her own recall work happens only once a helper or another trainer gives her something to leave.
On film
yeah yeah good go get it buddy good boy good dogs go with your sister you don't have to follow me around dude
They feel more comfy together.
Dory
Dory's trainer uses closeness as a before-and-after measure. On her first time round a walking route she was 'velcroed' to him, not looking at anything; weeks later she is starting to want to sniff other people, which he calls a great sign. The closeness also blocked the work: on a lake walk he tries to test her recall and cannot, because she is following him everywhere.
On film
remember the first time i did this travel dory she just was like velcroed to me not wanting to look at anything
I'm trying to test your recall, Dory, which you're following me everywhere.
Ozzy
Ozzy, a frightened dog whose go-to is hiding, is the lap version. His handler sits with him in a living room and makes him sit beside her without touching, because sitting on a lap could have become an anxiety crutch; he uses objects and people to hide. A staff handler later refuses the lap on place while still petting him, and his trainer describes an hour of 'nope, you're okay, sit there' as he kept trying to climb on.
On film
Because that goes to where, if he didn't get comfortable enough with me, he could have started sitting on my lap as a form of, like, anxiety crush.
You can't actually touch me.
I'll pay you, but you're not coming up on my lap.
It was just an hour of constant, he wanted to jump on my lap.
Roofus
His trainer wants him interested in the environment because a dog stuck to you is 'a very different set of problems', finds it hard to get him far enough away to practise the recall, and plans to walk without any commands so that distance stops predicting a recall. He also checks that Roofus fully releases after a recall rather than starting to velcro to him.
On film
because they'll never leave you and if they get stuck to you and you end up with a velcro dog then you have a very different set of problems
actually fully releases and doesn't start velcroing to me when i recall him
the one issue that i'm having with rufus here and there is that sometimes i have a hard time
strategies I might try is just walking for you know a while without giving any commands at all so that he's not expecting anything so that he starts to venture further and further away from me
Doja
At Doja's go-home Kelton gives the owners the cause in one breath: to practise a recall the dog has to go away, which is why the release command exists - so the dog actually feels free to leave. Generalised suppression produces a dog that never leaves you: 'what we call a velcro dog'.
On film
to practice a recall they got to go away right that's why we do the release command so that
all the time because that's what happens a lot of times when you just generalize suppression then they end up just never leaving you it's what we call a velcro dog
Rocky
At a follow-up after go-home, Rocky gets a serious correction for chasing and then does not want to leave the trainer. The trainer names the risk and acts on it at once: he sends Rocky off to look at things, because he does not want him stuck as 'the glue dog'; sniffing again is the sign he has recovered.
On film
noticed that he's like he doesn't want to leave yeah i'm going to encourage him to go okay right i want him to go go go go go go look at stuff go right i want him to go away now because i don't want to get him stuck where he's like the glue dog
Oscar
Oscar's trainer states the goal from the other side: he does not need Oscar looking at him the whole time - 'it's way too much' - and on a field where Oscar is already having fun he switches to a long line to 'remove the attachment to me from the scenario', giving the recall a different picture to be practised in.
On film
I don't need him looking at me the whole time, it's way too much.
So might as well remove the attachment to me from the scenario here.
Jack
The trainer reads that as standoffish - not as attachment - and treats his later sniffing and loosening as the comfort he is looking for.
On film
He's a little standoffish. He was staying really close to me.
Stormi
Stormi (a nervous shepherd type, not the Stormie whose handover is above) shows the compliance side of the problem. Midway through her program her trainer, working her alone, says he is being really strict with her because she wants to be emotionally attached to him. At go-home, with the owner holding the leash, the closeness turns up inside the command: asked for a down she goes in between the owner's legs, then rolls onto her belly - read as submitting so she won't have to do what she is asked, and answered by pulling her out of it at once. The trainer names the wish for contact as simply 'her thing' and has the owner bring her back to where she was told to be. Among the 'big stuff' he leaves the owner with is to force some distance, so that she does not learn to do her commands pressed right up against the person. Nobody here calls the closeness affection; it is handled as something she uses.
On film
So I'm being really strict with her because she's very, wants to be really emotionally attached to me.
There's the in between the legs, Shepard move.
What she's doing is she's submitting to you because she's like rolling on her belly. And she's like, maybe if I submit, then I won't have to do what she's asking me.
like that's her thing she wants to be really like like close to somebody so what i would do is i'd like bring her back over there
making sure that you force some distance so she doesn't learn like hey i can do the command doesn't like you know i'm just gonna be like so close that they can't breathe
Levi
At Levi's in-person evaluation the trainer puts the obedience half of the idea in one line: Levi wanting to be around his owner all day looks great and is convenient now, because he listens to her, but the moment something more interesting turns up that goes away. On the walk that follows, Levi keeps trying to go back to the owner instead of answering the trainer's recall.
On film
he wants to be around you 24 7 and like right now it's convenient because he'll listen to you but the second you're with him and he finds something that's more interesting than you in that present moment all of a sudden that goes away
levi come there we go sit he kept trying to go to you
Murphy
Murphy is a dog who checks in often by nature. On a long line his trainer lets him sniff, asks nothing of him, and deliberately walks away from him so that Murphy does not learn that staying with the handler is the requirement; the recall work comes after.
On film
right now. I wouldn't be surprised if he checks in with me on a regular basis
that but i'm gonna actually walk away from him now so that he doesn't think he's supposed to be with me
Shadow (German Shepherd puppy)
Shadow, a German Shepherd puppy, hangs around her trainer in a session, and he reads it the way Lola's trainer did: shepherd behaviour that comes from a baseline of anxiety, not a sign of bond.
On film
she's doing a little bit of that shepherd behavior where like she's just kind of hanging around me a little bit out of uh shepherds are kind of naturally having like a little like they have like a baseline of anxiety usually
Why it works
The trainers' stated mechanism has two parts, one about the dog and one about the handler. About the dog: the closeness is a coping mechanism, and a coping mechanism gets maintained because it works - so the response is not to punish it and not to feed it but to make sure the dog's own body is not the thing being used. Hence the two instructions delivered together: bond very well with a nervous dog, and be very detached about supplying contact (watch 27:12, 28:12). The two-handler recall is the mechanical version of the same idea: it does not argue the dog out of Velcroing, it puts the habit in a position where it fails, repeatedly and with the setup varied, and the stated aim is to get her out of the mental pattern of Velcroing to anybody (watch 13:55). In neighbouring cases, the trainers warn that holding a nervous dog at heel all the time can build frustration and, in more extreme cases, lead to a bite (watch 05:28). That is what makes the prevention urgent rather than aesthetic, and why the line is given back at the moment control gets easy rather than after the dog has earned it (watch 04:11). The practical consequence is separate from both and is the least arguable thing on this page: a recall is a command for the case where the dog is far away, so a dog who will not produce distance blocks the exercise entirely (watch 13:12; watch 23:05). The distinction the concept needs is therefore assumed rather than given.
Where the trainers differ
Whether a nervous dog coming to you is progress or a symptom.
One view
A symptom, and one to be handled with detachment - the dog is using the handler's body to manage anxiety.
On film
The Nervotator has switched from not wanting my touch to actually now she's kind of using our physical touch a little bit as like a nervous, some dogs, the Shepherds have like this nervous behavior where they'll like, either like hold on your leg, circle around your leg. They just start using the handler as a way to manage their anxiety, night which is understandable from a dog perspective but in this case you have to be very detached
All out for now, but that's an anxious behavior that we can't have. Good job
Another view
Progress, and quoted as the proof that she had opened up - the same dog, weeks later, coming up to snuggle.
On film
She's She's more open than when I Well, Lord, she is way more open than when I first met her. You know, she'll come up with me and snuggle with me.
How to read it
They are not obviously reconcilable from the footage: the same behaviour - the dog closing the distance and making contact - is the symptom in one file and the result in the other. The distinction the concept needs is presumably about the dog's state when she does it rather than the act itself, and nobody on film says so.
How a nervous dog's refusal inside the two-handler drill should be read.
One view
As Velcroing - the coping mechanism asserting itself, which is what the drill exists to break.
On film
Because what you don't want is her just get the idea like, okay, like I'm just stuck to this person and then that's like her coping mechanism all she does is just like like Velcro.
Another view
As pattern-prediction - not a reaction to the command at all, because the setup had repeated three times and she had worked out what came next.
On film
If she anticipates like she just did there, because like the last two times, what happened? I stopped, she stayed with you, I recalled her, and she didn't come. It wasn't a reaction to the command, it was a prediction based off of like...
So that's actually a strategy that I've used in the past, if you have two people working the dog.
How to read it
The same handler, ninety seconds apart, gives two different readings of the same failure - and the second does not retract the first. It matters because the two point to different fixes: one says keep running the drill, the other says the drill has become a pattern and must be varied.
Whether the shadowing is a welfare problem or a training problem.
Another view
A training problem, and a simple one - there is nothing to recall her from, so the exercise cannot run.
On film
the one issue that i'm having with rufus here and there is that sometimes i have a hard time
I'm trying to test your recall, Dory, which you're following me everywhere.
How to read it
Not a disagreement so much as two concepts sharing a name. The welfare version is about a state a trainer can manufacture; the training version is about a dog who simply will not produce distance, in cases where the dog is not described as nervous at all (Roofus's trainer calls him mildly unsure).
Common owner mistakes
- Reading the shadowing as devotion, and reinforcing it - feeding contact every time the dog asks for it.
On film
The Nervotator has switched from not wanting my touch to actually now she's kind of using our physical touch a little bit as like a nervous, some dogs, the Shepherds have like this nervous behavior where they'll like, either like hold on your leg, circle around your leg. They just start using the handler as a way to manage their anxiety, night which is understandable from a dog perspective but in this case you have to be very detached
Lola · Watch at 27:12 ↗ - Reading the dog closing the distance on a walk as her checking in with you.
On film
All out for now, but that's an anxious behavior that we can't have. Good job
Luna · Watch at 9:58 ↗ - Letting the dog hide behind you - or behind whoever else is in the room - when a command arrives, so the refusal is never answered.
On film
Like when you're generalizing it with her people when she goes home. She's gonna do it That's a very real reality is that they could say comments. You could try to hide behind somebody else
Lola · Watch at 11:44 ↗ - Holding the dog close because it is working, and never giving the distance back.
On film
um those nervous dogs they get the gill grinder usually within like about a year they end up like biting their body because they get so frustrated that like all of a sudden i don't know where they're fighting next door
Deuce · Watch at 5:22 ↗ Alright, so now that he kind of understands the concept, I'm going to loosen up a little bit because I don't want him to become a Velcro dog. Which is, you know, it's been a dog that kind of just sticks by you 24-7. Like, I can't go anywhere. So I'm going to get the leash just a little bit longer.
Deuce · Watch at 4:11 ↗ - Buying a quiet, glued-to-you dog as a trained one.
On film
there's a term called velcro dog you ever heard of it it's where like they take a nervous dog or a dog that doesn't listen well and they use the e-collar and like reinforcement so much so the dog's scared to leave the side and so for the rest of his life it just follows the owner around like this and because they repressed the dog like so hard the dog has no soul anymore not a fan of that
Lola · Watch at 10:14 ↗ - Assuming the recall is fine because the dog always comes. If she is never more than a few feet away, the recall has never been tested.
On film
because she's like tied to me though cuz she's nervous. I really have a hard time testing on her recall.
Lola · Watch at 5:03 ↗ - Calling the dog back every time she goes a little further out, so she learns to stop going out.
On film
and over again if you go a little further away then like you get called back every single time
Milo · Watch at 9:29 ↗ - Letting a nervous dog climb onto your lap whenever she is worried.
On film
Because that goes to where, if he didn't get comfortable enough with me, he could have started sitting on my lap as a form of, like, anxiety crush.
Ozzy · Watch at 14:40 ↗
Questions owners ask
My dog follows me everywhere. Isn't that what a bonded dog does?
Sometimes, and on a nervous dog it is usually something else. One trainer describes the change happening in front of him: the dog had refused his hand for days, and then started holding onto his leg and circling it - and what he names that as is her using physical contact to manage her anxiety. His answer is not coldness. He says in the same session that bonding very well with a nervous dog is one of the most important things a handler does, and also that in this situation you have to be very detached - available, and not supplying contact on demand. The test is simple enough to run at home. In a big safe space on a long line, walk away from her. If she will not leave you at all, what you have is not a bond you can rely on; it is a dog who cannot cope without you standing there.
On film
The Nervotator has switched from not wanting my touch to actually now she's kind of using our physical touch a little bit as like a nervous, some dogs, the Shepherds have like this nervous behavior where they'll like, either like hold on your leg, circle around your leg. They just start using the handler as a way to manage their anxiety, night which is understandable from a dog perspective but in this case you have to be very detached
it'll be something that anytime you're carrying a nervous dog i will say one of the most important things is to bond very well with them
Her recall is perfect - she always comes. Why do you say it is untested?
Because a recall is a command for the case where the dog is far away, and yours may never have been that. Dory's trainer tries to test her recall and cannot, because she is following him everywhere; Roofus's trainer says he sometimes has a hard time getting him to go far enough away to practise at all; Lola's says she is tied to him because she is nervous. Milo's trainer puts the lesson he does not want the dogs to learn plainly: that they just have to stick with him. So the first job is not the recall. It is producing distance - walking without commands, being boring, sending the dog to something interesting, a long line - and then recalling from some distractions, not every one, or you teach the dog to stop going out.
On film
I'm trying to test your recall, Dory, which you're following me everywhere.
the one issue that i'm having with rufus here and there is that sometimes i have a hard time
because she's like tied to me though cuz she's nervous. I really have a hard time testing on her recall.
good so the important thing is that the lesson i don't want them to get is that they just have to
and then recall them away from them but i try not to recall them away from every distraction
What do I actually do about it?
Send her away, and if there are two of you at home, call her off the other one. The drill is named on film and it is unfussy: let her stick to the second person, then call her to you, mark a refusal with an uh-uh and repeat, and vary the setup so she cannot work out what is coming. The stated aim is not obedience - it is to get her out of the mental habit of Velcroing to anybody. It also rehearses in advance the exact failure the trainers predict for a family at home, which is a dog who goes behind her people when a command arrives. Vary who calls, from where and after how long.
On film
Because what you don't want is her just get the idea like, okay, like I'm just stuck to this person and then that's like her coping mechanism all she does is just like like Velcro.
Then it kind of gets her out of the mental pattern of Velcroing to anybody.
Isn't a dog who sticks to you exactly what obedience training is supposed to produce?
There is a name for the result - a Velcro dog - and one of them explains how it is made: take a nervous dog, or one that does not listen, use the e-collar and enough reinforcement that the dog is frightened to leave your side, and you have a dog that follows the owner around for the rest of its life, repressed so hard, in his words, that it has no soul anymore. A second handler puts the same position positively about a different dog: keep the personality, just make them obedient, and no intention of repressing the dog into something frozen sitting there all day. A third draws the line for a client at the handover - a smidgen of repression is fine because what is being repressed is a behaviour, and it stops being fine at the point where the personality is what is going. One go-home lesson turns this into an instruction: the owner is told to force some distance so the dog does not learn to do her commands pressed up against the person, and a down answered by squeezing between the owner's legs and rolling over is treated as getting out of the command, not as closeness to welcome.
On film
there's a term called velcro dog you ever heard of it it's where like they take a nervous dog or a dog that doesn't listen well and they use the e-collar and like reinforcement so much so the dog's scared to leave the side and so for the rest of his life it just follows the owner around like this and because they repressed the dog like so hard the dog has no soul anymore not a fan of that
the main thing is my my thing is like i want the dogs to keep their personality just make them obedient
smidgen of repression is not bad because it's more just like you're repressing that behavior but then it gets to the point where you're actively like repressing the personality and everything and That's not cool
making sure that you force some distance so she doesn't learn like hey i can do the command doesn't like you know i'm just gonna be like so close that they can't breathe
What she's doing is she's submitting to you because she's like rolling on her belly. And she's like, maybe if I submit, then I won't have to do what she's asking me.
My dog is not nervous, he is a happy puppy who wants to be near me. Does this apply?
The stated reason is not that the dog earned it; it is that the handler does not want to build a Velcro dog, the kind that sticks by you all day and cannot go anywhere. That is the useful transferable habit: give the distance back at the point where holding him close has just got easy, because that is the point at which it is tempting not to. The neighbouring warning in the same dog's file is what makes it worth bothering with: a nervous dog kept at heel all the time builds frustration, and in more extreme cases that can end in a bite.
On film
Alright, so now that he kind of understands the concept, I'm going to loosen up a little bit because I don't want him to become a Velcro dog. Which is, you know, it's been a dog that kind of just sticks by you 24-7. Like, I can't go anywhere. So I'm going to get the leash just a little bit longer.
um those nervous dogs they get the gill grinder usually within like about a year they end up like biting their body because they get so frustrated that like all of a sudden i don't know where they're fighting next door
So should I stop cuddling my nervous dog?
The instruction is about who initiates and what the contact is doing, not about whether it happens: be physically available and emotionally detached, and do not supply contact on demand. The same dog whose leg-holding is diagnosed as anxiety management is, in another session, described as far more open than when they met, and the evidence given is that she will come up and snuggle. Those are the same behaviour read two ways, weeks apart, and nothing on film tells you how to tell them apart in the moment.
On film
it'll be something that anytime you're carrying a nervous dog i will say one of the most important things is to bond very well with them
She's She's more open than when I Well, Lord, she is way more open than when I first met her. You know, she'll come up with me and snuggle with me.
The lesson
The goal
The handler can tell whether a dog's proximity is a bond or an anxiety device, test a recall that has never been tested, run the two-handler recall off a Velcro person without letting it become a pattern, and explain the manufactured-Velcro-dog failure mode to a client in one breath.
Learn first
- You have to be able to reward him at all
- 'Let's go' is not 'Come' - and the recall has an ending
- Freedom is given in measured steps
- Don't heel grind
The drill
First, test the thing nobody has tested. Long line, big space, no commands: walk away from the dog and keep walking. Log how far she will let you get and whether she will go anywhere at all. If she will not leave you, write down that the recall is untested, whatever it looks like. Then work on producing distance rather than on the recall - long line out, walk off, be boring, let her go and investigate, and pay the going rather than the coming. With two handlers: let her stick to B; A stops, steps to the far side of the line, and calls her; uh-uh on a refusal and repeat; change which handler calls, from where, and after how long, because three identical repetitions is enough for a dog to start predicting rather than responding. On contact: be available and do not supply it on demand. Bond hard in the ways that are not contact - company, food, going places. And at handover, name the predicted failure to the family before it happens: she will try to go behind you when you ask her for something, and that is the moment to answer rather than to soften. (Lola watch, watch and watch; Dory watch; Roofus watch; Milo watch; Deuce watch.)
Watch out for
- Treating the proximity as a result and reinforcing it.
- Running recall reps on a dog who has never been more than a few feet away, and calling the recall finished.
- Running the two-handler drill identically three times, so the dog is predicting the pattern rather than answering the word.
- Reading the refusal in that drill as Velcroing when it is prediction, and pushing harder.
- Holding a dog close because it is working, and never scheduling the distance back.
- Keeping the pressure on after a correction with a dog who is already close to suppressed.
- Letting the dog hide behind the owner at handover without naming it as the thing that will happen.
Check yourself
A nervous dog has clean, fast obedience and comes every single time she is called. She has never been more than about six feet from her handler outdoors. Her family say she is the most devoted dog they have ever had. What do you tell them her recall is worth, and what is the first exercise? (Nothing yet - it has never been tested, because there has been nothing to recall her from. The first exercise is not the recall; it is producing distance: long line, walk away, pay her for going rather than for coming. And tell the family the devotion reading may be a coping mechanism, in those words, because it changes what they do with their hands.)
