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Poseidon & Hades

Two dogs from the same household, trained in the same program. Each has its own section below, so nothing one dog did is read onto the other.

Poseidon

Who Poseidon is

As the trainer describes him

The trainer calls him a reactivity case with prey drive who stalked another dog at a park, and says he had a bite on his record from California.
By the end of the program, the trainer describes his recall and let's-go redirect as reliable, and says his heel has improved.
On film

But since he's very good on the recall, his recall is great, super responsive, as well as his let's go redirect, and his heal has gotten a lot better, I don't worry too much about what he's doing.

Watch at 6:03 ↗

As the family describes him

The owners list their main concerns as over-excitement, barking and the bite. It is not cited here, and who the fighting was with is never said.

On film

like over excitement and um uh like some of the the barking um and then the bite

Watch at 5:37 ↗

Separation barking: the owners say he barked whenever they left, and that a second dog reduced it but did not stop it. They also say it caused serious trouble with their housing. That detail is household matter and is not repeated here.

On film

To have a friend to calm him down. Something to do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And how did that, did that help? It helped a little bit, but he was still barking every night.

Watch at 2:50 ↗

It was like maybe an hour, maybe like 30 minutes, but it was a lot less than what he was doing when he didn't have anything.

Watch at 3:04 ↗
The owners say he was returned to a shelter three times, went through a prison program in California (San Quentin), and bonded with one of them straight away.
On film

like he's already been brought back three times I'm not gonna be the fourth person like brought back to the shelter or something

Watch at 12:59 ↗

When I met him, he instantly just sat in my lap.

Watch at 13:14 ↗

there's a similar program they did for him it's uh the st quentin prison

Watch at 13:51 ↗
An owner says he ran and cowered when she was cleaning with a shoe in one hand and a rag in the other. The trainer offers two possible causes: a bad experience, or temperament plus experience.
On film

I had a shoe in one hand and I had a rag in the other and he ran and cowered from me

Watch at 14:31 ↗

that can happen if they've had some bad experience and it can also be temperament plus experience

Watch at 14:46 ↗

The child. The owners say he does not do well with children in general and tolerates their own child. They also say he keeps an eye on the child. When the child gets into his face, he has 'corrected' the child, and the owners say it was never a hard bite. The speakers overlap in this stretch.

On film

I think he does love the kid from a distance

Watch at 7:42 ↗

he has corrected him like he hasn't bit him hard

Watch at 9:15 ↗
The owners say people urged them to put him down. They say that a near-incident after they moved is what led them to training.
On film

i've had many people tell me to get rid of him and put him down

Watch at 11:43 ↗

And then we got out here, and there was almost an incident, and I was like, I can't do it anymore.

Watch at 12:29 ↗
The owners say he gets anxious when the group is separated on a walk. He waits for whoever lags behind, or chases after them.
On film

anytime if one of us lagged behind him he would sit there and wait until what until we caught up

Watch at 16:45 ↗

He doesn't like when people are separated from him. He likes it with the group.

Watch at 17:00 ↗

What the recordings show

On the Cabela's recordings: he waits at doors on a sit (one 'No, sit' is repeated at 04:07), walks loose through the store, takes a treat from a staff member after a 'yes', and heels with a small leash cue to finish in a sit. In the go-home lesson he is walked calmly enough for a 22-minute conversation. None of these recordings shows a dog encounter or a reaction to one. Body language cannot be checked from the audio.

The program, stage by stage

The program, mostly off camera

About eight weeks, ending around 2025-11-12

Nothing from the first weeks was filmed. The trainer reports that the barking all but stopped after the first two days.

On film

So, and he did, honestly, after the first like two days, he barely, he didn't really bark at all.

Watch at 3:39 ↗

i always take dogs with me everywhere i go so dogs came along i had sign with me and andy and um and doja we were out

Watch at 7:21 ↗

Cabela's, near the end (Pt.1 and Pt.2, one trip)

Early November 2025, on or before 2025-11-03

The trainer brings him along on his own errand. Poseidon sits at every door, wanders the store on a loose lead, gets one tap for an ignored let's-go, takes a treat politely from a staff member, and heels with a leash nudge into a sit. He also uses Poseidon to demonstrate a prong pop for two shoppers, then worries aloud that he has unsettled him.

On film

he's in training yeah yeah he's he's about at the end he's doing really good

Watch at 8:51 ↗

But yeah, a successful trip with Poseidon to Cabela's.

Watch at 20:29 ↗

Go-home lesson, both dogsTurning point

On or before 2025-11-12

A walk with both owners and their young child. Most of it is conversation. The owners go through their concerns. The trainer treats the child problem as management rather than training, sets out a household choice on jumping, shows Poseidon and then Hades on sit, down, recall and release, and ends with a hesitant sit that one 'nope' resolved, calling it negative reinforcement. There is a follow-up 'as needed'.

On film

that's another example where I asked him to sit and he was kind of like, and I asked him to sit again and he was kind of, and then I said no, but he sat. So that's another way you can use it as like a negative reinforcement.

Watch at 21:37 ↗

Skills

Sit at doors (threshold routine)

At the startNot filmed.
By the endDone at the store doors, with one repeated cue.
How it was taught

Stated as a standing routine for every door, kennel and crate.

On film

I always make them sit before we go in through the doors.

Watch at 3:49 ↗

We do that every time in and out of the kennel and every time in and out of the crate.

Watch at 3:55 ↗

Recall and let's-go redirect, with freedom to wander

At the startNot filmed.
By the endThe trainer calls them reliable. One ignored let's-go got a tap, and the trainer says he 'popped right out of it'.
How it was taught

Not filmed. On the recording: loose handling, 'here' and 'let's go', and a tap when a let's-go is ignored.

On film

I let him wander, because that normally actually decreases problems when you're out and about,

Watch at 6:20 ↗

I think then if you're just, let's go, let's go, good boy Poseidon, so I gave him a little tap there just because he ignored the let's go read right cue but to his credit he popped right out of it

Watch at 8:59 ↗

Heel with a finishing sit

At the startNot filmed. The trainer says his heel 'has gotten a lot better'.
By the endDone with a small leash cue into the sit. The trainer says that ideally no cue is needed.
How it was taught

Heel cue, leash communication into a sit, then 'break'.

On film

our training Poseidon heel heel so I did a little bit of communication there through the leash to get him to finish with a sit oh yep there you go boy break but that's not always required ideally they sit without any kind of communication there

Watch at 7:17 ↗

Taking food politely from a stranger

At the startUnknown.
By the endDone at Cabela's. The staff member is told to say 'yes' first.
How it was taught

The marker comes before the food, even from a stranger.

On film

just say yes before you do it yes there's a good boy

Watch at 9:06 ↗

Release and 'go' (break, then encourage away)

At the startKnown.
By the endShown at the end of the Cabela's trip. At the go-home, the owners are given 'break' or 'okay', and the trainer says both dogs know both words.
How it was taught

After 'break', a dog that sticks close is encouraged to leave with 'go go go'.

On film

go if you see your dogs kind of stuck by your side like that once you've said break and they're free to go I like to encourage them like that break go go go

Watch at 20:37 ↗

say break or okay i've i used to say break every time i've uh recently started gravitating towards using okay i don't know why but you can use your one they know both

Watch at 17:39 ↗

Jumping on guests

At the startAn owner concern when company comes.
By the endExplained only. Not practised on camera.
How it was taught

It is the household's choice. If jumping is fine, allow it. If it is not, 'nope', then 'nope' with a pop, three or four times. This is the same procedure the trainer had already given for Hades getting on Poseidon.

On film

if you're cool with him jumping on you let him jump if you're not cool with it tell him to stop it

Watch at 14:59 ↗

tell him nope get him to stop and then if you really don't want him to ever do it again like then just like do the nope and then like pop and then nope and then pop and then nope and pop like three or four times until you feel like he got it

Watch at 15:26 ↗

if you want him to be able to do it sometimes but not other times then all you got to do is respond accordingly in that moment

Watch at 16:00 ↗

The child: management plus an alternative behaviour

At the startThe owners report that he 'corrects' the child when the child gets in his face.
By the endA management rule is handed over. No training is shown.
How it was taught

The trainer declines to train tolerance of being poked. He offers a recall or other redirect instead, plus a firm rule: never leave a dog with a bite history unattended with a child.

On film

that's more of a management thing just like don't because you i can't train him to be like okay with people poking him no he shouldn't be okay yeah like that's not what he wants but um but you know like i can train like okay where you could like recall him or get him to do something else

Watch at 9:49 ↗

So, and you have one with a bite history, so then that's even, like, more of a no-no, right?

Watch at 10:27 ↗

Heel by negative reinforcement, rewarded with release

At the startNot stated.
By the endNot stated. The marker words suggest a mix of right and wrong positions.
How it was taught

Pressure (the tool is not named), 'yeah'/'nope' markers, and 'break' into freedom.

On film

So we use negative reinforcement for the heel for a little bit there you saw and then the the reward is just a release into freedom, right?

Watch at 3:12 ↗

How the method adapted

Very little of Poseidon's training is on camera, so most adaptations can be seen only in what the trainer says at the end. Two stand out: a training problem was turned into a management rule, and the trainer publicly admitted a handling mistake with this dog.

The child problem was not treated as a training target. The trainer says he cannot, and should not, train the dog to accept being poked. He gives the owners management and a redirect instead.

The bite history and, by the trainer's account, the breed raise the stakes. The dog's dislike is called fair.

On film

the only difference is that that the dog doesn't know how to deal with that like if they don't like it and so then like that leads to problems

Watch at 8:34 ↗

Especially not a bully breed dog, though, right?

Watch at 10:18 ↗

set them up for success and then but that doesn't mean you have to like treat them like a prisoner

Watch at 10:59 ↗

Jumping is left to the family to decide. For this dog, though, the trainer points out that not everyone wants him in their face.

The trainer ties it to his breed.

On film

know like especially because of his breed not everybody wants you in their face

Watch at 16:10 ↗

A self-correction about handling Poseidon. A viewer said his backward leash pressure during a greeting on Halloween night was counterproductive, and the trainer agreed on camera. He puts it down to being tired and to held tension, which he says is not a correction.

Passive tension does more harm than good, and experienced trainers slip into it too.

On film

you'll see that i put like a a little bit of backwards leash pressure and she pointed out that that was counterproductive and she was right

Watch at 7:35 ↗

a lot of times I work with dog owners who get really nervous and kind of anticipate problems and will put a bunch of like passive leash pressure it's not a correction of any kind like it's not popping or no e-collars involved

Watch at 7:50 ↗

here but yeah it can happen to me it can happen to any of our trainers which means it can definitely happen to you if you're just a dog owner right

Watch at 9:24 ↗

No suppression of a dog with a bite record. The trainer presents Poseidon as a reactive dog who was not suppressed into calm.

The trainer says suppression does not last once the dog goes home.

On film

my my kind of my policy is like i don't do training that way

Watch at 10:36 ↗

it's walking on eggshells now because the other thing is it doesn't last it goes away yeah as soon as the dog gets home

Watch at 11:26 ↗

A dog in training was used for a demonstration aimed at other people. The trainer popped Poseidon on the prong to show two shoppers, then worried he had upset him. This is recorded as a flag, not as a method.

Not stated. It was a demonstration for someone else's dog.

On film

i'm probably triggering the heck out of him he's like what the hell did i do i didn't do anything

Watch at 16:46 ↗

What the family was told

Walks where he can do his thing

take them on walks um the more walks that you're able to do that are like this the better because that there's a big difference between the two walks yeah like a walk where you're having to like try to keep him with you all the time and a walk where you like let him like kind of do his thing

Watch at 6:11 ↗

Child and dog: management

most dogs should never be like left unattended with a child

Watch at 10:09 ↗

set people up for success set dogs up for success too

Watch at 10:46 ↗

Jumping on guests

tell him nope get him to stop and then if you really don't want him to ever do it again like then just like do the nope and then like pop and then nope and then pop and then nope and pop like three or four times until you feel like he got it

Watch at 15:26 ↗

Release words

say break or okay i've i used to say break every time i've uh recently started gravitating towards using okay i don't know why but you can use your one they know both

Watch at 17:39 ↗

The marker as negative reinforcement, and 'the counting thing'

that's another example where I asked him to sit and he was kind of like, and I asked him to sit again and he was kind of, and then I said no, but he sat. So that's another way you can use it as like a negative reinforcement.

Watch at 21:37 ↗

kind of like the counting thing that I've talked with you about.

Watch at 21:45 ↗
In the family's own words

The owners do not say whether they are satisfied, and they do not state goals beyond their list of concerns. When asked for further questions at the end, one says they cannot think of any (18:41). The only other question is about teeth.

Outcomes

What the trainers reported

Nearly finished and doing well.

The trainer, to a Cabela's staff member

On film

he's in training yeah yeah he's he's about at the end he's doing really good

Watch at 8:51 ↗
The prey stalking has mostly stopped, and the trainer sees nothing of the bite history now, reached without suppression.

The trainer, to shoppers

On film

but he's he's kind of stopped doing that now uh he's kind of learned to chill out a little bit bit better and then he had a bite on his record okay from back in california but um i don't see anything at this point he doesn't that's great he doesn't do anything um and i didn't have to like suppress

Watch at 10:21 ↗
Recall great, let's-go reliable, heel much improved.

The trainer, to camera

On film

But since he's very good on the recall, his recall is great, super responsive, as well as his let's go redirect, and his heal has gotten a lot better, I don't worry too much about what he's doing.

Watch at 6:03 ↗

What the footage shows

Poseidon: a store trip with sits at doors, loose wandering, one tap for an ignored let's-go, a heel finished with a leash nudge, and polite food-taking from a stranger. No dog encounter is recorded.

Poseidon and Hades at the go-home: sit, down, recall and release shown to the owners on a walk, plus one hesitant sit resolved by 'nope'. The recording does not always make clear which dog is being cued.

Hades: three minutes of heel with marker words. The audio cannot show how well he performed.

How it ended. Poseidon went home.

The ideas Poseidon's case runs on

Hades

Who Hades is

Male ('his sit and his down'). No breed, age or history is spoken. No reason is given. The owners' later question about teeth ('they both came to me with pretty clear like white ass teeth', 19:58) is about both dogs and is not training material.

What was filmed

About three minutes of heel work that is carried almost entirely by the marker words 'yeah'/'yep' and 'nope', followed by an explanation to camera: the heel is taught by negative reinforcement, and the reward is a release into freedom on 'break'.

On film

Yeah, nope, yeah, yeah, nope

Watch at 0:15 ↗

So we use negative reinforcement for the heel for a little bit there you saw and then the the reward is just a release into freedom, right?

Watch at 3:12 ↗

And so then having like a strong break command can really make things clearer for the dog that they're free.

Watch at 3:35 ↗

And I've had a lot more success doing the heel that style than I have had tried to like lure a heel with treats.

Watch at 3:56 ↗
Go-home lesson (watch). Hades's sit, down and recall ('here') are shown after Poseidon's. The trainer hands over the release words and says both dogs know them.
On film

so you can see like same thing with hades his sit and his down yeah then his recall is still it's here

Watch at 17:25 ↗

say break or okay i've i used to say break every time i've uh recently started gravitating towards using okay i don't know why but you can use your one they know both

Watch at 17:39 ↗

Hades 'getting on' Poseidon. The trainer refers back to a procedure he had already described for this, off camera, and tells the owners to use the same one for Poseidon jumping on guests. The words suggest that Hades is the one who gets on Poseidon. The procedure itself is set out under Poseidon's jumping skill.

On film

so if he goes to jump on them what you're gonna do is the same thing i described for when like he's like hades is getting on him just do that

Watch at 15:16 ↗

Heel standard stated on his recording

Point

A pet-dog heel: left side, not far ahead, at the handler's pace, with no competition precision. This is stated in general terms on Hades's recording, not as a grade of Hades.

On film

I'm not super like anal with how they, uh, position their heads or like exactly where their bodies are. If they're on the left side and they're not like going super far ahead of me and they're staying at my pace, then that's, that's good.

Watch at 4:18 ↗

The ideas Hades's case runs on

How it ended. Hades went home.